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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (1633)	10/12/2000 3:00:34 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

No Greg. That was my joke. The thing following it is the answer! And, what is wrong with "it's a mystery, no one can know it?" It is better to give a BS answer that I know to be false than to admit I don't know, and say I suspect there is another player? It is all rather logical, IMO. I described the mechanism to you. You don't like the answer. That is different than me admitting defeat and giving up on the discussion. It seems to make sense to me. It is coherent. It is logical. It is defined by the math. The uncertainty that you interpret to be randomness is merely the manifestations of the operation of a hidden variable. If I have you plot the coordinates of all the goats in the world right.........NOW! You would be giving me a roughly spherical plot with millions of little dots all over it. These points would appear to be random in some ways yet bounded. Neither of us would argue (I hope) that there weren't any reasons for a goat to be in a particular place, but sometimes, it just IS in that particular place. Some had escaped and their owner didn't know where they were. Some were herded into a corral and were bunched together abnormally. That might be random but the goat is acting in accord with its own free will in some cases. IT knows why it is there. YOU don't. In other cases the free will of the goat is thwarted. The goat is where its owner wants it to be, but not where it wanted to be. So you have a map with elements of order (goats where people want them) and disorder (goats where people didn't care where they were or cared very little where they were). The net effect is that you and I don't know. If some of the goats are mine, I can change those goats' positions. If they are a continent away, I can do little to change the position myself directly, but might be able to do so though a phone call. "God" can make that call for me. That's all I'm saying. What is the problem with that?

To: Greg or e who wrote (1633)	10/13/2000 7:26:18 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 28931

Personality and morality may just be human constructs- just words. They don't HAVE to have any meaning except for us. As humans. It doesn't really matter if they are any more "real" than that. I think what Cos means is that we don't have all the data. It is logical to say "I don't know the answer to this because I lack data, so it will remain an unknown (or a mystery) for now." I think God is like that. The existence or non-existence of God is an unknown. The nature of the existent or non-existent God is an unknown. Of course you or anyone else from any other religion can SAY it is known, you can SAY anything you want and you can even believe anything you want, if you are particularly credulous, but it doesn't make it so.