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To: Barry Grossman who wrote (113330)10/12/2000 9:13:14 PM
From: rudedog  Respond to of 186894
 
Barry - thanks. re: "I hope she is also vocal." the joke around the family is that we spent 2 years getting her to talk and the next 20 trying to get her to shut up. Vocal does not begin to describe it - she got her FCC license so that she could get on the radio, where she became known as "crusader rabbit" because she was so relentless on issues she cared about.

She has tempered herself a little with maturity - but that is more than countered by a steady increase in her ability to communicate her ideas effectively. She wins most debates with me, and I'm no weak lily.



To: Barry Grossman who wrote (113330)10/13/2000 12:49:41 AM
From: Dan3  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 186894
 
Re: I was pleasantly surprised to hear that Bush agrees that the facts are not clearly understood - YET

It's quite hard to convince some people that the earth is round - it certainly doesn't look round!

Like gravity, every aspect of how rapidly increasing concentrations of CO2 changes our climate is something not completely understood. Nor will it ever be "completely" understood. But, like gravity, we have a pretty good idea of how it works.

But, if you're a skeptic, why not suspend a jagged 800 pound rock 15 feet over your head, then cut the rope holding it to see if it falls down or up? We understand gravity less well than we do atmospheric warming at this point.

That rock experiment is pretty much what we're up to right now, and the outcome (if things don't change) is about as uncertain.

I can't believe Gore is making such a big deal about the environment - I think it's political suicide. But the fool clearly is stricken with principles.

Bush's weasel words gained him a plenty of votes the other night, as well as ensuring plenty of contributions from the oil companies.

Dan

PS - oxygen is a highly reactive element, not normally found free. For most of the history of the planet, there was no free oxygen. It took billions of years to remove enough carbon from the atmosphere to permit free oxygen to exist, and now we are putting a match to that carbon and returning things to their original, natural state.

I expect that we will modify our behavior within the next hundred years, which is soon enough to let us survive as a species. But unless we start very soon, it will have to be a drastic and painful response to a desperate situation.

I also think there is no way we will do anything until it is largely too late, much suffering has occurred, and that Gore is nuts to think the american peepul are bright enough to see through the Bush answer (being presented by many, many, people and organizations besides Bush).

Sorry for the rant. :-(