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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: American Spirit who wrote (2409)	10/14/2000 1:37:13 AM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

You may want to read the report to the US House Nov 1999 re North Korea..... This is just a piece of it... KLP North Korea Advisory Group Report to The Speaker U.S. House of Representatives November 1999 house.gov Do the North Korean weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs pose a greater threat to U.S. security than five years ago? North Korea's WMD programs pose a major threat to the United States and its allies. This threat has advanced considerably over the past five years, particularly with the enhancement of North Korea's missile capabilities. There is significant evidence that undeclared nuclear weapons development activity continues, including efforts to acquire uranium enrichment technologies and recent nuclear-related high explosive tests. This means that the United States cannot discount the possibility that North Korea could produce additional nuclear weapons outside of the constraints imposed by the 1994 Agreed Framework. In the last five years, North Korea's missile capabilities have improved dramatically. North Korea has produced, deployed and exported missiles to Iran and Pakistan, launched a three-stage missile (Taepo Dong 1), and continues to develop a larger and more powerful missile (Taepo Dong 2). Unlike five years ago, North Korea can now strike the United States with a missile that could deliver high explosive, chemical, biological, or possibly nuclear weapons. Currently, the United States is unable to defend against this threat. The progress that North Korea has made over the past five years in improving its missile capabilities, its record as a major proliferator of ballistic missiles and missile technology, combined with its development activities on nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, ranks North Korea with Russia and China as one of the greatest missile proliferation threats in the world. ********************** You mentioned: The next huge boodoggle if Bush gets elected will be Reagan's dream Star Wars. A total unnecessary 400 billion list price (expect huge overruns) system which doesn't work yet and has never worked and may never work and will also during our ABM treaties on their ears and piss off every other country in the world. To defend us again whom? North Korea? The poorest nation in Asia? That's who Bush says it's for. "Rogue nations like North Koran and Iraq" (whose dictator his father left in power over the protests of Senator Lieberman and many others). Clinton is now planning a mind-blowing trip to North Korea. So much for the need for Star Wars but Bush will try to fund it anyway. Who gains? Not the tax-payers. Not the US military. That's money taken away from conventional military systems. That's also enough to take care of every poor or sick person in America plus a lot more.

To: American Spirit who wrote (2409)	10/14/2000 8:26:18 AM
From: Hoa Hao	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10042

Geez, considering how inaccurate you are regarding your ABM comments, it makes one wonder how accurate you are in all your others. The facts are that the proposed NMD is not Reagan's Star Wars and nowhere near comes close to 400 billion. I suspect eventually the Russians will wake up to the fact that adjusting the ABM treaty is also in their interests. You Do know that they went a head and built their allowed ABM system around Moscow don't you?? They still have it. Are you also aware that the old Soviet Union was busy circumventing the treaty by building an illegal battle management radar to make the system country wide?? Good thing for us they imploded first. Regretfully, as time marches on, technological development spreads out. It has been over 50 years now since the German V-2. Even arm pit nations like N. Korea can develop and Sell missile technology, and learn to make nuclear weapons. I'll believe the N Koreans have turned over a new leaf when they start cutting their military down to size and pull their massive build up Away from the S Korean border. Remember what they used to call the old Soviet Union?? Upper Volta with Rockets. Another reason for US NMD not talked about much is the growing probabilities of China and Russia breaking up. We have a good basis of fact for how two opposite powers react with nuclear weapons (USA & the Soviet Union); break down and civil war we don't.......yet. Pakistan and India seem to be following in our footsteps. BTW, India is Ahead of the US in particle beam development. Don't be surprised if the US ends up being the Only country without ABM defense.

To: American Spirit who wrote (2409)	10/14/2000 12:08:41 PM
From: long-gone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

<<Clinton is now planning a mind-blowing trip to North Korea. So much for the need for Star Wars but Bush will try to fund it anyway. Who gains? Not the tax-payers. >> So you believe North Korea to be the only remaining threat to our nation? Can they pay taxes if the are burned to cinders from the last blast?

To: American Spirit who wrote (2409)	10/14/2000 12:31:05 PM
From: Selectric II	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

Enough politburo propaganda, already. Carter signed the deregulation bill. The 1982 law, P.L. 97-320 (H.R. 6267), which passed by a nonpartisan vote of 272-91, and to which you only now refer, had 28 House cosponsors, many of whom were Democrats, INCLUDING four who remain in Congress today: Rep. Schumer (now Senator!) (D-NY); Rep. LaFalce (D-NY); Rep. Vento (D-F-L-MN); and Rep. Hoyer (D-MD). Since you feel so strongly about this issue, why don't you go out and campaign against those four last-remaining Democrat cosponsors of the S&L crisis?? The full list of 28 cosponsors is: Reuss, Annunzio, Fauntroy, Hubbard, D'Amours, Mattox, Barnard, Schumer, McKinney, Ottinger, AuCoin, Pepper, Simon, Aspin, Minish, P. Mitchell, Blanchard, LaFalce, Oakar, Vento, Garcia, Hoyer, Moffett, A. Murphy, Howard, W.D. Ford, Heftel, and Guarini. (Source: thomas.loc.gov).