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To: rudedog who wrote (51178)	10/14/2000 11:25:54 AM
From: The Duke of URL©	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74651

Thank you for this post and your posts on database concepts. If that is Microsoft's mission statement for .NET they will be deserving of a large (maybe the largest) market capitalization, assuming, of course the DOJ will be DOA. emphasis on person to person direct communication, platform-independent standards, creation of exchange mechanisms that eliminate the need for centralized servers and other control mechanisms works against the centralization direction and re-empowers individuals

To: rudedog who wrote (51178)	10/14/2000 1:19:03 PM
From: JC Jaros	Respond to of 74651

rudedog- You know I have great respect for you. Virtually this entire post leaves me in ansolute awe and dumbfounded that *you wrote it. --- While Fredrick may be a bit premature about personal autonomy on the network because of a lack of things like being able to have encrypted 'stuff' on MSN/hotmail servers (non-minable) and easily using secure protocols to exchange personal information, he's not wrong. While PCs played an integral part in making the web (and the rest of the internet) what it is today, the 'personal empowerment' of PC's in the end pale anemically to the open standards network of dispirate servers in the distributed (not glass house) computing paradigm. --- .NET is about personal empowerment? These guys have ONE thing they submit to a "standards body" and the rest of the world beomes proprietary to you? --- MS has lost their developer mindshare. C# and dot net is MS's hail mary into the developer community. MS wanting to personally empower them, yes? - More like MS leveraging the dregs - the trailing edge against the future. --- These dogs don't learn new tricks. Something like 90% of their earnings come from a nearly irrelevant desktop OS (which you don't use) and a 20 year old shell game of hide the Office document format. The MS business model is melting down. They're losing their 'centralized control'; their chokepoints. It's all that they know. --- The 80's are gone. But, you know that. -JCJ

To: rudedog who wrote (51178)	10/14/2000 7:30:39 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74651

DOT.NET...... >>Frederick - I think you have it exactly backwards. The thing that drove the PC revolution was empowerment of individuals. The centralized systems of the 60s and 70s had a huge advantage in use, software, infrastructure, reliability - still users preferred their unreliable PCs simply because they had individual power to do what they wanted. Gates just rode the wave, along with the OEMs. Now we see Oracle, Sun, IBM and other old line players trying to take back that control. That's what the fight over Java standards was about, That's what all this crap about thin clients is about. Centralized control. The MSFT .NET initiative is about re-creating individual power and breaking down the standards that the proprietary vendors are trying to impose on the internet. The big emphasis on person to person direct communication, platform-independent standards, creation of exchange mechanisms that eliminate the need for centralized servers and other control mechanisms works against the centralization direction and re-empowers individuals. MSFT is making a bet that individuals will drive the next wave if empowered, just as they did in the PC revolution. Can you point me to even a single statement in the last year that supports your statement Gates, Balmer and Microsoft - and a lot of other technology companies - want to GET BETWEEN me and other individuals that I may want to help and serve.?? They are saying the opposite - in fact, their statements about empowering the individual are so close to yours that I thought maybe you did a cut and paste from the .NET material. Take a look at what's really going on if you believe in the power of individual people as opposed to centralized control.>> RudeDog: Please provide some snippets from .NET marketing materials. I'd like to see if these guys have been lifting stuff from what I've been writing. It won't be the first for these folks. I have not peaked at .NET marketing materials. I happen to know from feedback inside and outside the Novell community that a lot of what's behind this was lifted from Novell's Net Services approach. And I've been plying this vision over in the Novell community for the past 2-3 years. I'd like to sit across the table from Gates and Balmer and see firsthand if they really, really "get it." From their ACTIONS in the past, they don't. Sure, they've been riding the individual empowerment wave, but that's like saying the sun came up every day for the past billion years. I'm more interested in Gates values and principals. The way he shifted, roped, dodged, danced and spun his way through this DOJ thing tells me he's more interested in playing defense while protecting and holding onto what he's got then he is in "letting go" to embrace this REAL Net Revolution. Perhaps I'll try to call Gates. After having called for his head, I've been trying to get Novell's COO to call me for the past few months - with no luck. Getting to speak with Gates BEFORE Stewart Nelson would be interesting. Please note that I'm not judging Gates THE PERSON. He's a human being with feelings, energy, spirit and a free will like all of us. I simply have ZERO interest in how much he's worth nor on how influential he may be. I'm only interested in Gates as a person first. Everything else is secondary and really meaningless. You may think I'm crazy thinking I have a reason for speaking with Gates. I don't for I feel incredibly empowered about what I share in this space on this subject. Do you know Scott Lemon inside Novell. He couldn't get Nelson to call me. Why don't you see what you can do to get Gates to call me. I'd like to share a few things about this vision and energy and mission. Perhaps there is overlap. I saw his recent webcast and he just does not come across with this point of fire that's needed to share this kind of passion. Anyway, I respect you and what you share. Thanks again. And let me know what you come up with. Peace. GO!!