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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Solon who wrote (1711)	10/16/2000 2:35:55 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

We travel through the world in a time direction because of our consciouness. Imagine if you will, a world without conscious creatures, a world like Earth a few million years ago. Did time exist in that world? I say of course it did! Consciousness is affected by the arrow of time, but has no control over it. If I see a huge boulder on a hill, a balanced rock, I could reasonably say Some day that boulder will roll down, or the hill will wear away and it will be at the level of the plain. . I can't guarentee it though. The next generation may decide that would be a perfect rock to send into space. The future cannot be completely predicted, unless and only unless the past present and future are completely determined beforehand. Some probabilities are almost certain, but the only thing that is absolutely certain is that once something has happend, then it is a part of the past. It is the act of happening, being observed in the cosmic sense, that finally yanks the uncertainty out of the possibilities. TP

To: Solon who wrote (1711)	10/16/2000 2:49:37 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

I'm not picking up a lot to disagree with or alternatives to postit against your characterizations. I believe reality is fundamentally just a movie with 10^43 frames per second. This movie that is you is in coherent phase lock. Those states that are available to you exist like a stream of cards emerging from the hand of a good dealer in a "spray" of frames. This is at the QM level. So at your level you have a whole city full of dealers each shooting at frames and those that are in phase are reinforced and those that aren't eventually die out. Since every particle of your being is doing a spray of frames, "you" is the net sum of all the little movies. The movie of your dinner moving through you alimentary canal, the movie of your blood moving around your body, the movie of these movies is the "you" of "now". Most of all, these movies are edited into a master cut of the here and now. Any one of an astronomical number of things could change this spray of states. The simple combinatorics of all possible states 10^43 (Planck frame rate) x 10^23 (Avogadro's number) x 10^4 (the mass of your volume), we end up with roughly 10^70 possible combinations occurring every second. Only a very tiny fraction of these is even likely, but as I pointed out with the dodge the bullet idea, that even some relatively unlikely outcomes for you in the next 1 seconds worth of "frames" in your life could be "reasonable" based upon a very slight steer arising from the changes to previous frames. How many ideas per second do people have? My guess is maybe 2 well-formed ideas per second is close to a maximum practical frame rate for consciousness under normal circumstance. This molasses of reality jells as the particles of your being become phase locked with the particles of reality. The arrow of time is that thing that sucks you forward from the last well-formed thought (and it's accompanied action or actions) to the next experiential frame. When I was on the plane with my son, since our cognitive frame rate was small compared to the relatively high speed of the plane, I could argue that in spacial coordinates each idea was smeared over 100 meters as my son and I streaked across the sky at 750 km/hr. There were no resolvable "sub-ideas" in that inertial frame. This suggests that for a creature like me, if one went in an sampled my perceptual and cognitive reality, over this 100 meter line, you would find that my consciousness was relatively frozen on a scale of millimeters. At any millimeter to millimeter change in position in time-space, there was essentially no place in which that thought state was essentially different from another thought state 2 mm away. While many physical state changes were occurring at this scale, there were no cognitive state changes occurring at this scale. This "thought flux" is indicating to me that my reality was also "smeared" as well. If the plane ran into a solid block wall 10km above the earth, would the perceptual frame would prohibit me from experiencing it for a minimum 100 meters AFTER the plane was vaporized. In 1.5 gigajoule energy burst of phase-locked kinetic motion potential energy being converted to random vibrational heat energy, can the highly entangled organization states of consciousness unroll themselves that quickly? This leads me to ask: "Is there something analogous to conscious or will momentum?" Can we say that all the information stored in the collective thoughts of 100 people on a plane that disappears that fast and that all those self-organized "movies" with all those entangled states untangle themselves as fast as the matter that is jelled by them? How do you do the balance of the equations carrying the substance of this information (it must be much much greater than 10^27 bits, IMO, based upon some matchbook cover estimates). We know information exists. We know it has persistence. We know it has a coding. What we don't know is whether it exists in a web of complicated entanglement or not. IMO, or belief maybe, I think that is precisely how it exists. I had a potentially fatal accident when I was 19. I had the slow motion effect (my normal perception rates were dilated). My wife had no such experience in her accident when she was a young teenager. Why did we both experience similar events in such a different way?