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To: Ahda who wrote (59880)	10/17/2000 8:32:07 PM
From: d:oug	Respond to of 116927

Darleen, To me your VBG Earth Quakes of :o)(smiles + laughter) are good examples of the good types of manipulations welcomed onto this thread needing every opportunity to :) An example of something on Planet Earth that is not manipulated by humans, I wish to submit that this question by Rarebird towards Richard has created an instance frozen in time as an answer to his question. For who can doubt the forthcoming of longone's Richard forthright and formidable fortitude to not be manipulated by another to transform the battles between Good v Evil into a Survivals t.v. game show when the last person standing is the winner and judged most able and most correct not through an examinations of the means taken, but simply and only by the fact that he or she is the last one standing. The Law of the Jungle is ok for animals, not for humans. But then the mainstream media and t.v. and movies seems to be sending a different message when every other human activity seems to have a gun or weapon as part of the action or script. As acknowledged by many here that do not agree with Rarebird's acceptance of manipulation as having no good or bad elements attached to it, but only viewed as something to engage and not let it beat you down. Would be a different story I bet if Rarebird lost his ability to be one of those last standing "winners" and then had to identify the bad with manipulation through his condition of being dumped on by others still standing. Something like a version of "join the winning side" and label the losers as "not good enough" and if they complain reply to them to "join". Richard will not accept this manipulation by Rarebird to help Rarebird collect the opinions of those hurt by manipulation to state that their hurt is not caused by bad or evil actions, but only through Laws of the Jungle. "Live by the Sword, ..." "You are what you eat." "You are what you ask others to ignore." doug