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To: Elmer who wrote (114521)	10/19/2000 10:51:20 AM
From: Tony Viola	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Elmer, thread, I believe the EMC/Data General server below is the densest commercial Xeon based server out now: 64 processors. Now there are 32 Xeon machines being sold by Unisys, Compaq and HP, 64 ways from DGN. Looks like EMC is keeping DGN's server division going as well as the storage part. siliconinvestor.com EMC's Data General Division Announces New ccNUMA ServerHigh-performance AV 35000 offers investment protection with flexible upgrade features, high reliability and high power for UNIX operating environments WESTBOROUGH, Mass., Oct 19, 2000 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Data General today announced its new AV 35000 server with powerful Pentium(R) III Xeon(TM) processing. The AV 35000 is Data General's latest and most innovative enterprise consolidation solution. The newest member of the award winning AViiON(R) series, this enterprise server can adapt to changing workloads by scaling up to 64 Pentium III Xeon processors. The AV 35000 offers a simple upgrade path from the AV 25000 with fourth generation NUMA technology and the ability to meet UNIX environment demands. "In keeping with our server-line enhancements, the AV 35000 offers a cost-effective consolidation solution for business-critical needs," said Rick Strom, director of AViiON marketing. "This enterprise-level server offers investment protection and high-power and is an ideal solution for both new customers and current AV 25000 users." "Data General continues to meet its customers' needs by providing, reliable and high-performing Intel-based servers, featuring the Pentium(R) Xeon(TM) processor," said Raghu Murthi, director of marketing for Intel's Enterprise Platforms Group. "Intel-based servers provide the platform headroom, availability and scalability to keep up with the increasing demand and workload of the new Internet Economy." "AViiON servers are a key component of GERS' electronic software solutions," said Jim Henderson, president and chief executive officer of GERS Retail Systems. "With this new product, our customers will be able to depend on AViiON's high-reliability as they implement mission critical transaction management applications for web commerce and store-based retailing. Our association with Data General demonstrates a shared commitment to delivering powerful solutions for the retail marketplace in more than 400 GERS installations worldwide." Meeting future business needs - Now Both the AV 25000 and the AV 35000 ccNUMA systems are servers of choice for the largest database OLTP, Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP), data warehousing or healthcare applications. Growing enterprises may use a quick-install, draw-slide upgrade, resulting in an extremely easy field upgrade from the AV 25000 server. With fourth-generation NUMA technology, the AV 35000 brings mainframe levels of scalability in processors, memory, and I/O to enterprise-class servers. In addition to faster processing, custom gate arrays work to enhance performance. Consolidated growth in UNIX and Windows Environments As the high-end server of the AViiON product line, the AV 35000 is equipped to handle large consolidation requirements. Built from highly-modular Scalable Building Blocks, customers can incrementally grow memory and I/O in their systems to support business expansion as needed. EMC CLARiiON(R) midrange storage and EMC Symmetrix(R) enterprise storage systems can be connected through multiple redundant high performance connections to support a wide range of storage requirements. About Data General Data General, a Division of EMC Corporation, is a major supplier of consolidated computing solutions for customers worldwide. The division's products include Microsoft Windows NT- and UNIX system-based AViiON servers and related software and services. Strategic alliances with leading software vendors and systems integrators enable Data General to deliver complete solutions that meet customers' business need to simplify consolidate and control information technology infrastructures. Additional information on Data General, its products and services is available on the Internet at www.dg.com. EMC Corporation (NYSE) is the world leader in information storage systems, software, networks and services, providing the information infrastructure for a connected world. Information about EMC's products and services can be found at www.EMC.com. Data General, DG/UX, Symmetrix, CLARiiON and AViiON are registered trademarks of EMC Corporation. All other brand names and product names referenced in this press release are trademarks of their respective holders. Tony

To: Elmer who wrote (114521)	10/19/2000 11:01:59 AM
From: jcholewa	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

> I know we're just speculating here because there are no published benchmarks from Intel but that INT number of 502 > would be very close to the highest score ever posted, 511. That's impressive to me. It is impressive right now. But in Q1, when the processor starts approaching volume availability (imho, and that's kinda important in my books), I'm not so certain that it will be as impressive as it seems now. The only real problem here is that AMD is too wussy to post up specint scores. I'm going to beat up on my local rep now to ask about that. Actually, my other problem is that I don't know the ramp of the two processor manufacturers. I know that Intel is shooting for a groovy 2.00GHz in Q2, but AMD's strategy is a bit up in the air. Also, there are a number of improvements in the upcoming "Mustang" revision of the Athlon which could have a material effect in average ipc for specint2000, but I do not know enough to be certain. I agree with what you've been saying, that performance per process is what's important in examining the design, not performance per clock. Well, that and to some extent performance per price, that sort of thing. But I am very interested in seeing Willamette's max spec performance in the P858 (wait, was it P860? I always get fracking confused about which process is which -- assistance would be welcomed here). Still ... if the Thunderbird variant of the Athlon is anywhere remotely near the specint2000 performance of the PIII (I will check with my sources at AMD, and I will look up some third party Tbird/Cumine spec2000 comparisons), then it may be a closer match than you suspect, even if the Mustang offers no higher specint2000 ipc than Thunderbird.     -JC

To: Elmer who wrote (114521)	10/19/2000 1:18:12 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

That 511 is from a 667 mhz Alpha, Elmer. That Alpha also beats the rumored P4 FP scores. I don't know what Compaq's problem is there, but they should be doing better by now. It's nice that Intel has this big compiler operation primarily devoted to generated Spec scores. But most benchmarks representative of things people actually use don't look quite as good, relatively speaking, as Intel's spec numbers. Plus, there's the, er, speculation that P4 x87 FP really sucks. Who cares about compatibility with the existing code base, though. That has nothing at all to do with the success of the x86 ISA, which dominates purely due to its obvious architectural elegance.