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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1926)	10/20/2000 1:54:52 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

HI Gus Interesting post. I'm not sure I follow. As an Atheist, I expected that you would also be a materialist. Are you saying that the physical universe does not have extension in space and time? It's all just an illusion? Who is having this illusion? I do not agree that a universe that pops out of a quantum fluctuation actually pops out of nothing. That is simply moving the goalpost's back a bit, imo. It begs the question, and raises a whole lot more. "In my opinion, only the evidence of such a semantic transcendence could provide existence for subservient, contingent beings. For existence is everlasting, existence is not some transitory property" I agree with your premise but not with your conclusion. Are you are arguing from transcendence to existence, then saying our existence is not real, therefore transcendence does not exist? I would go the opposite direction and start with existence. I say it is real. My computer is real, Logic is real, the laws of physics are real, and personality along with morality exist. I agree that the only explanation for such a proximate reality is an ultimate reality. That such things do in fact appear real could of course be an illusion, but that is generally a polytheistic Hindu answer, is it not? Since you gave me a good link , here is one I think you will find very interesting. It is a real audio debate between Gordon Stein and Greg Bahnsen on the existence of God. Bahnsen uses the transcendent argument for the affirmative. straitgate.com Enjoy let me know what you think Have a good day, I'm off to work. Greg