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To: mtnlady who wrote (33494)10/21/2000 8:12:10 PM
From: Uncle Frank  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 54805
 
The Barrons' article is a rehash of the same garbage they published 3 months ago. They admit from the get go that Cisco is in conformance with GAAP, which is good enough for me. Slamming the big boys is a great way to sell magazines but it rarely provides useful investing ideas.

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To: mtnlady who wrote (33494)10/21/2000 8:30:08 PM
From: Thomas Mercer-Hursh  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 54805
 
Seems to me that we have here yet another conspicous example of how unlikely it is that one should trust a CPA to tell one anything about accounting. In the pooling of interests discussion he seems to think that just because Cisco paid for a merger with something that cost $N, that this figure should be reflected on Cisco's financial statements and, doing anything else is some kind of accounting fiddle. But, we are talking about a transaction paid for with stock, something that may have a nominal par value on the company's statements prior to the merger. The only transaction that Cisco is making is a conversion of a certain number of shares of unissued shares to issued shares. Were it actually reasonable that Cisco should represent the market value of these shares in their financial statements, then it would have to follow that the market value of those shares should have been in the statements before the transaction as well .... I am sure that Cisco would love to be able to represent the market cap of their stock in their balance sheet!

Bottom line, the difference in how these transactions would have been represented in the financial statemenst as a straight acquisition rather than a pooling of interests has nothing to do with the market value of the stock issued for the transaction.

He is just about as much on the mark on the options issue. I don't dispute that there is some question about whether the tax credit related to the gain from the exercise of options is sensible, but the idea that the presumed gain should somehow be deducted from Cisco's earnings is just plain silly. Cisco didn't pay out that money. Once again, all Cisco did is issue stock ... probably having been paid a fraction of its face value at the time. The difference, the gain in value came from the market, not from Cisco's operations, so the idea that these billions in gains should be deducted from Cisco's income is just plain silly.



To: mtnlady who wrote (33494)10/22/2000 2:21:37 AM
From: Bruce Brown  Respond to of 54805
 
mtnlady wrote:

I don't know if JDSU uses Canadian accounting methods or not.

JDS Uniphase uses the purchase method in their accounting for acquisitions. Cisco uses the pooling method. We've had some nice posting going on over at the Fool GG board concerning the accounting methods, ROIC, EV/IC and WACC. Madmarv is a one of the staples for balance sheet number crunching and goodwill treatment at the Fool. He and others have made excellent contributions over the past year in terms of the purchase vs. pooling methods on the Rule Maker board.

BB