To: E. Charters who wrote (2351 ) 10/24/2000 12:29:36 PM From: Thomas A Watson Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 2615 E. I did not think you had that much Clinton or Gore in you. E I think you could make better argument if you used the Old Testament. One can use God and faith to argue anything. Using information about comparison that are ten years old or older to rebut the performance of my six year old technology is not very persuasive. A 50 meg mips machine and an IBM xt at 4.77 The first quote in Unix-HATERS Handbook. that puts down X is a quote from a guy from dec. Dec the company that is nore more as vms could not compete with Unix or dos. Dec unix is I think one of few unixes that I never played with. So is there now a new edition of the UNIX-HATERS Handbook that is the LINUX-HATERS Handbook. And by the way, xclock uses .4 meg of memory on my system. Data only off by a factor of 3.5. From your source... The Nongraphical GUI X was designed to run three programs: xterm, xload, and xclock. (The idea of a window manager was added as an afterthought, and it shows.)For the first few years of its development at MIT, these were, in fact, the only programs that ran under the window system. Notice that none of these program have any semblance of a graphical user interface (except xclock), only one of these programs implements anything in the way of cut-and-paste (and then, only a single data type is supported), and none of them requires a particularly sophisticated approach to color management. Is it any wonder, then, that these are all areas in which modern X falls down? DUUUUUHHHHHH..... Is it not amazing that all three program created 20?? years ago are still useful today. On the window manager.... What Motif does is make Unix slow. Real slow. A stated design goal of Motif was to give the X Window System the window management capabilities of HP's circa-1988 window manager and the visual elegance of Microsoft Windows. We kid you not. Motif 1988 Give me a break.... E what is my watman.com about.... motif ????? E. if you want to take a 5 dollar video card and put in 5 man years of effort on a program that will get you 5 dollars worth of performance, it's a free country. I'd rather take a 25 dollar video card and take a few weeks to put together the correct existing pieces of software to get 10000 dollars worth of performance. It's a free country and the issue is preference. Tom Watson tosiwmee