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To: Ilaine who wrote (86873)	10/29/2000 3:06:25 PM
From: CharleyMike	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Thanks for the suggestion. I followed it and read the whole article, plus relevant links. What I found indicates that you may not have gone back far enough. < The culture introduced at this stage was essentially the same as the culture found by the Israelites who moved into Palestine later, in the 14th and 13th centuries BC.... The Hyksos may have included elements of a grouping of people, largely Semitic, called the Habiru, or Hapiru (Egyptian 'Apiru). (The term Habiru, meaning "Outsiders," was applied to nomads, fugitives, bandits, and workers of inferior status; the word is etymologically related to "Hebrew".... The exactions of foreign bureaucrats, however, combined with internal decay, had so enfeebled the Canaanite vassal princes of Palestine that it was comparatively easy for the incoming Israelites to occupy most of the hill country east of the Jordan River and in western Palestine in the course of the closing decades of the 13th century BC.... > and, of course, more that most want to read because it doesn't support their position. I support neither side. It is really none of my business. As I have stated previously, they're all savages or they wouldn't be engaging in savage behavior. My position is that as observers (as opposed to participants) we should try to understand all sides of the conflict. Whether we agree or disagree with either is irrelevant.

To: Ilaine who wrote (86873)	10/29/2000 3:52:47 PM
From: nihil	Respond to of 108807

When does title pass when a conqueror seizes a people's land. After several expulsions and return the Jewish people rebelled one time too many and the Romans destroyed the Jewish state and expelled the Jews from Judea in the first century of the common era. The Jews never forgot. "Next year in Jerusalem!" The Romans couldn't hold Palestine against Egyptian invaders, who could hold it against the Turks, and the Franks, and ultimately the Ottomans who couldn't hold it against the British when Allenby conquered it during world war I. The British had supported the Arab rebellion and later established the Hashemite kingdoms in Transjordan and Iraq. During world war I the British promised international zionism (especially Louis Brandeis who was a US Supreme Court justice and a leader of international zionism) a national homeland for the Jews in Palestine. The local Arabs were not consulted and tried to restrict immigration of Jews after wwI. The Jews won the war of independence in 1948, and every successive war against the Palestinian arabs and their Arab allies. They conquered additional land, and in the Yom Kippur war 1973 had the Egyptian 3rd Army surrounded at their mercy, might have captured Cairo and Alexandria and might have captured Damascus. The Soviets were humiliated and tried to intervene, but forced Kissinger to make the Israelis withdraw and forfeit the fruit of their victories as a price of US resupply. Repeated American attempts to sponsor some kind of permanent settlement have been defeated by incalcitrants on either side. Likud's support of provocative Jewish settlements in conquered Arab lands, and Fatah's refusal to accept a compromise peace have made a permanent settlement impossible. The US subsidizes this struggle to the tune of $5 billion a year or more. We give billions to the Israelis, Egyptians, and Palestinians every year. Americans have invested billions in Israel (some of Intel's largest fabs). We share intelligence with IDF and have joint defense projects with them. We have a common market with Israel. We are engaged in the Middle East as a sponsor and guarantor of Israel, and at the same time have chosen to protect the Arab oil producing countries against aggression by Iran and Iraq. Our threats against the Palestinians and Israelis have little credibility, because our independent action is compromized. Now that the Soviet Union is defunct, why not let the hard-line Israelis pull out the stops, slaughter as many Palestinians as they wish and force the Arab countries to butt out. That would require nuclear blackmail, or the equivalent. The cost to Israel would be very high. Without active American support (bombing Baghdad etc.) it might not even work. It would create a disastrous split in the US. But I believe that continued acts of Arab terrorism directed against the US may make this occur. Clinton has been even handed in his attempt to get a settlement. I have no idea what the next administration will do.