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To: Scumbria who wrote (115155)	10/29/2000 7:35:34 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Scumbria, RE:"When Intel says "about a month", it is usually an indication of trouble. That was their exact words for fixing the 1.13GHz problem, and almost every other issue which has popped up in the last two years." Well, after a little jockeying on the mod thread where I was educated a bit, it was determined that P4 (by consensus) was first Silicon in January. OK, just for arguments sake lets say that was true. A November launch (supposedly would be less except for i850) means the new design was tested, verified, poked, prodded, re-taped, masked out a few times, whatever, in about 10 months. Pretty darn quick if you ask you. Paul makes snide remarks that it would be a miracle if the P4 progresses without a hitch and now Tony tells us the danger of implementing high speed cache designs. 10 months ago you stated the P4 was too "wiz-bang" and likely to be no big deal (or words to that effect). So I'm a little worried...about "the no big deal" part. Sounds like P4 will be a big deal one way or another and I don't like what I'm hearing from process specialists... So are you saying don't be surprised at either a delay or worse yet, a few bugs? Jim

To: Scumbria who wrote (115155)	10/29/2000 7:45:26 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Respond to of 186894

On the 1.13ghz "problem", I looked it up. You're not being totally fair, Scumbria. "It's probably a couple of months before we get units back into the marketplace," [Intel spokesman Howard] High said. news.cnet.com Of course, that "couple" seems to have stretched out to 6 or 7 now, I think. Which doesn't exactly bode well for Barrett's "about a month" for the P4, but who can say? Another amusing quote from that article: "There can't be very many--tens of thousands at most," said Linley Gwennap, principal analyst at The Linley Group. "I wouldn't be surprised if it was under 10,000." As it turned out, since Dell didn't ship any and IBM shipped maybe a hundred or so, Gwennap's ultimate surprise was minimal indeed, his estimates were only a couple orders of magnitude high. Cheers, Dan.