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To: Joe NYC who wrote (16710)	10/30/2000 12:33:56 PM
From: pgerassi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Dear Thread: Did everyone miss the thermal and electrical specs on Tom's 760 review of Tbird up to 1400MHz at 266MHz FSB? That would mean that they have actual Tbirds running at those speeds without any increase in voltage (still at 1.75V) or decrease in maximum chip temperature (still at 95C). P4 may have a very hard time with 1.4G Tbird on 760 with PC2100, especially with the larger memory sizes prevalent in workstation and server setups. Pete

To: Joe NYC who wrote (16710)	10/30/2000 12:45:46 PM
From: that_crazy_doug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

<< I disagree. I would prefer more real application tests. I think I prefer Tom's suite. I would like someone to report some database results of any kind and some blended Photoshop scores. Also, maybe some Autocad scores. >> All AMD fans enjoy tom's suite, it changes to whatever makes intel look the worst and amd look the best. The same changes will take place to make ati look bad and nvidia look good, it's obvious where tom has his bets placed in the stock market.

To: Joe NYC who wrote (16710)	10/30/2000 2:54:54 PM
From: Ali Chen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

<The last think I care about is the test of how well either side is able to optimize the compiler for a synthetic benchmark.> You are incorrect. The SPEC is not a synthetic by any means. It is a set of _scientific_ applications, in the same way as BAPCO is a set of _business_ apps. The only difference is that the SPEC tells you exactly about CPU/cache/memory performance, while BAPCO may tell you nothing. For example, the run-time score in MS-Word part of SYSmark2000 consists primarily of opening and closing some service windows. Every such a window is tied to a flying zooming frame, Macintosh-style. Unfortunately, this zooming frame has a constant speed of zooming, apparently based on some timer. As you might guess, because of every CPU waits with the same speed (tm Albert?), scores for this sub-benchmark do not change much with the speed of processor nor with memory speed. Regards, - Ali