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To: Frederick Smart who wrote (34520)	10/31/2000 12:13:22 PM
From: Captain Jack	Respond to of 42771

Fred-- time to give it up. They put something in the water at the exec cooler that forces them to think they have no responsibility for their failures and anyone that can see their failure is wrong,,, LOL! Like a bunch of children that are not able to get a passing grade blaming it on the book mftr,,

To: Frederick Smart who wrote (34520)	10/31/2000 9:01:51 PM
From: Scott C. Lemon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

Hello Frederick, > Apparently there is no end to this circle jerk. Hmmm ... not sure what you mean by that ... > You don't understand where I'm coming from and you have me > pegged as not understanding where you, Stewart, et. al. > are coming from. Nope ... you're wrong again. I might not understand where you are coming from ... that is true. Now this could be related to your presentation of the subject matter. But you are wrong about being pegged as anything. And you are wrong to lump a bunch of people together into a group. I simply have you pegged as a whiner who wants to point blame and make accusations instead of looking for constructive possibilities for creating the future. I also have you pegged as someone who wants to act like they know everything about the inner-workings of specific people, but really don't. And pegged as a hypocrite who talks of love and peace, but they throws spears and attacks from behind. > Everything coming from Frederick Smart gets tossed in this > "pack of lies and illusions" box - ie. lies and illusions > of my own making that have absolutely nothing to do with > reality. Nope. Wrong again. Only specific statements fall into this category. You actually contribute some useful stuff every now and then ... > So let's try clearing the deck and speak about something > that should be near and dear to all of our hearts: > forgiveness. I'm afraid that you demonstrate that you really don't understand what forgiveness really involves. And on top of that, you pollute the word with your attempts to twist and spin the truth. > I forgive Stewart Nelson for selfishly acting out and > taking those $.10 options. Wait now ... this is great ... you forgive someone for taking what was granted to them by the board or directors. My ... how incredibly wonderful of you Frederick. I know that Stewart is going to sleep so much better at night because you posted this ... > I forgive Stewart Nelson for working too hard to defend > the Old guard inside Novell. So can you give the concrete and specific examples, in detail, where this is true? > And I forgive you, Scott Lemon, for defending your and his > right to simply "be" and "walk the talk" as you say. I, certainly, do not need or want any cheap forgiveness crap from you, Fred. Your attempts to use something like this to manipulate a situation are obvious and sickening. Sorry ... you can keep it ... you have demonstrated that your word has no value on this thread. > But we still are left with a Novell that needs help. > > Would you agree? > > And if not, please elaborate as to the reasons why Novell > does not need any help from anyone. So this comes down to the fundamentals of language and communications. I am not a believer that anyone needs anything. I believe that there are endless possibilities available to us in our lives, and that Novell has limitless possibilities. If we choose a specific possibility, then we can evaluate what choices can be made to move us closer to creating that possibility. But we don't need to do so. If we outline a specific possibility that we are creating, then we can easily outline the specific measurable objectives, and the action items, required to reach that possibility. So to generically say "Novell needs help" leaves so much open that I can't agree ... if only because there is no context placed on the direction or destination. > Please don't misunderstand me Scott. I'm not referring to > Frederick Smart's "help." I'll also offer that "assistance" is much more productive then "help" ... and I'm sure that if you truly wanted to assist Novell that people would be open to all sorts of assistance. But I'll also suggest that assistance is not sitting at home spewing trash about what people "did wrong" or "are forgiven for doing" ... > I'm simply referring to a very real need to ENERGY and > VISION and EXCITEMENT which Novell needs to become > "relevant" once again. I know that most of my coworkers already have this, and it continues to grow and build. There are numerous exciting projects underway internally, and there is a strong desire to succeed and make Novell successful ... and I keep finding more and more each day. But since you don't work at Novell, I guess that you don't really know ... > This is ALL my entire arguement against Stewart Nelson > boils down to. His leadership has been deep-sixed - > undercut - by his actions which have transparently > revealed to shareholders, employees and others that he's > in this for selfish power/control reasons which are not > bringing energy, light and passion into reversing this > rot, this decline we are in. No ... this is simply what you want the story to be, Fred. And you keep telling it, over and over, in the hopes that you will be proven "right" ... you so want it to be true. It's ok ... that's just a typical human behavior ... but it is still just a story that you are writing ... > This is what I "see" and "feel" and you, Stewart, et. al. > are entitled to throw this into the trash bin. Yep ... we all have the freedom of choices ... > And you know what? No ... but I know that you'll tell me! ;-) > That's completely fine with me. Got it. > So where does this leave us? I know that you'll tell me ... ;-) > Nowhere. Great! It's a good fit ... I believe that the Tao beliefs are something like "Life is empty and meaningless ..." so we are right on target! > For this pattern of separation and defensiveness > continues. I don't see any path of light which could bring > hope to raise the internal moral problems Novell seems to > be facing. Wow ... and if Fred can't see it then it must not exist? Kinda' like "If Fred can't get Stewart to talk on the phone then ..." So the world is, because Fred says so ... > And all of these problems can be laid to rest at Stewart > Nelson's doorstep. He's the leader. Eric delegated > authority and responsibility for him to run these things. > I just don't see him as an effective leader. He's > protecting and defending more than he's leading. Where the heck do you get this? Please give one concrete example of the "protecting and defending" crap ... please! Give a detailed example of an action that he has made ... a decision ... a choice ... And as for you not seeing him as an effective leader, who cares ... it's again the world according to Fred. > And more fo the folks who could really bring positive > change back to Novell seem to be leaving. And the ones who > are attracted to stay or work at Novell will, by > definition, fit and support this defensive/combative/closed pattern or leave. And so that is the way it is. Period. Huh? Fred says so, Fred "sees", and so it is. No other explanations, no alternative views ... > That's how I see it Scott. Yep ... you sure do. > I'm puzzled as to what you are defending. I'm not defending anything ... I'm working inside of Novell to create a future, along with a lot of employees, that will make Novell successful. In addition, I'm simply replying to your posts, and explaning that your Don Quixote pontifications are a waste of time. You are so far off track by now that you are creating more damage than assistance. You are continuing to fight to be right, at the expense of Novell. And you are continuing to be a blatant hypocrite about your "love" and "peace" stories ... You used to be of value on this thread, and internal to Novell ... but please keep posting because the employees who are busting their butts are able to get a better idea of who you really are. > It's like watching a guy fighting for the right to defend > the right to remain in the bottom of this dark, deep well > that's only getting darker and deeper. Yep ... that's what I see when I'm reading your posts, Fred. Look in a mirror ... > I don't see you reaching out in the spirit of > reconciliation, forgiveness and understanding. It's simply > reduced to this "Frederick Smart is the problem" bottom > line. No ... Fred is not the problem ... Fred simply is failing to distinguish what he is creating ... and he's refusing to budge an inch just so that he can be so right ... > Period. Yep ... Period. > I'm glad life has become so easy and efficient to define. > I just hope, for your own sake, that you learn to grow out > of this bottle you've become very clever at putting others > in. Ahhh ... of course ... it's me that can learn ... but not the all knowing Fred ... he knows all ... > Ditto, ditto on all the rest. Agreed ... > Other than that I have several songs I could sing to you > and others after a long hike to the top of some moutain > outside of SLC someday. Perhaps that kind of tonic is > needed to bring this dialogue to it's ultimate > transformational conclusion. Sounds great ... Scott C. Lemon