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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (3109)	11/3/2000 12:42:16 PM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Re: Why not reexamine the premise? Why not indeed? I don't think he was saying that this leads to anarchy and nihilism, but that nihilism leads one to hold things that are obviously false, namely, there is no such thing as good or evil,... Atheists and agnostics don't claim that there aren't such notions as "good" and "evil", they only point to the fact that the concept of good and evil are transitory, non-absolute categories and, therefore, can't be used as a benchmark to guess what God --that is, the ultimate meaning of everything-- would find right or wrong.... The inescapable problem with you, worshipers of all creeds, is that you perfectly know --or, at least, feel-- that your behavioral criteria are RELATIVE --relative in time as well as in space.... What's good today was wrong yesterday and may be wrong again tomorrow. Hence agnostics refuse to raise any human, fallible set of laws to a divine status because such a folly boils down to admit that some human beings (those who devised the so-called set of laws) are divinely superior to others! For, however you put it, your divine "consulting" always trickles down to us via other FELLOW EARTHLINGS --I've never got an email from God Himself!! Of course, we're all aware that, at that point, Christians and their like-minded church-freaks cross that crucial chasm with FAITH..... Faith! That is, stop thinking around! Turn off your mind! Pull the plug on your intellect.... But why didn't you pull it just a coupla steps before??? Just before you started talking about your God thing..... Gus.

To: Greg or e who wrote (3109)	11/3/2000 12:58:27 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Your not going to say because its "normal" to have sex with children in some places that it is therefore right, are you? There are tribal cultures where this occurs (in a variety of ways) and it can be in an environment where it doesn't appear abusive (i.e., producing an effect of direct or indirect social, psychological or physical harm). After all, the harm (in our society) is largely from the stigma, guilt, self-loathing and violation of trust experienced by the child after the fact (and not the specific act itself). Isn't it just the cultural norm for us to not practice this? It isn't like child-brides have been universally forbidden by any faith that I know of. This is disturbing Deuteronomy 22 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

To: Greg or e who wrote (3109)	11/3/2000 1:42:46 PM
From: TigerPaw	Respond to of 28931

What happens when two or more groups disagree? Exactly the same thing that happens when two groups who think they have morals based on a supreme evaluator disagree. All the laws of nature work for believers and atheists alike, it's just that believers think they are somehow affected differently. Your not going to say because its "normal" to have sex with children in some places that it is therefore right, are you? I'm not, because I am a product of my culture. Someone where it was "normal" to have sex at an early age would probably say it was right. no such thing as good or evil This is a bit like saying there is no colors black and white because some grey can also be present. and his logic inescapable The logic only seems compelling if the choice is reduced to God or anarchy. That's not the real choice, it's more a choice of the way things are, or the way things are with an imaginary friend. TP