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To: flatsville who wrote (33817)	11/4/2000 2:46:45 PM
From: ldo79	Respond to of 436258

O/T - flatsville - "Politics is a dirty, undignified, bloody business. You have to be ready to kill or be killed and sleep with the devil when necessary (and try not to puke when you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning.)" Agreed and here's a good example: "Most in military plan to vote for Bush-Cheney ticket" washtimes.com "Military missing absentee ballots - Some Army, Navy personnel unable to vote for new commander in chief" worldnetdaily.com. A coincidence - I think not Regards, ldo79

To: flatsville who wrote (33817)	11/4/2000 4:21:05 PM
From: UnBelievable	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

I Did Not Mean to Denigrate Other's Beliefs or Actions Between what I have observed traveling around the world, and what I have been told through history, I have come to the conclusion that there are only a few real truths. There is only one world. The divisions and distinctions that we have imposed upon it, and continue to impose, in terms of countries, territories, kingdoms, are arbitrary and ever changing. The similarities of people though out the world are so strong that they make the differences immaterial. One of the strongest of which is the temporary nature of everyone's stay on this planet earth. Right and wrong are relative not absolute. Throughout time and among various peoples at any time there exist a broad spectrum of beliefs and ideologies. The validity and goodness or badness of which are always relative to the individual reaching the conclusion. There are no solutions to problems because there are no problems. Problems too, are relative. They have always been with us and given mankind's current perspective on achieving contentment there is no way in which that will not be the case. We did not create the world, nor did we create our selves. The idea that we can improve life is truly the greatest hubris and biggest lie. Given what politicians claim they want to do and can do it seems ridiculous to take any of it seriously. When I see people who are not satisfied promising to bring me satisfaction I find it impossible to believe.

To: flatsville who wrote (33817)	11/5/2000 8:45:35 PM
From: Oblomov	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

This kind of sentiment is more often than not expressed by those who haven't entered the fray or gone to battle for anything they believe (arm chair citizens) in or those who got their face punched in and promptly quit (quitters.) Flats- Although I have respect for your dedication to your beliefs, I must disagree with you here (it won't be the first time -gg-). An anti-political attitude is often the result of rich life experience and careful consideration. My father was, when I was growing up, very involved in Democratic politics. Although much of his motivation was to help friends run for office, I think his involvement was also the result of his basic idealism. He was a successful businessman; he grew up poor but managed to succeed despite the fact that the local banking community were children of privilege. His name was at one point nearly synonymous with the state Democratic Party - negative ads were run featuring him as the target although he was just a campaign manager. Naturally, in my youth I became very involved in Democratic politics as well. I canvassed precincts, made calls, did survey analysis, etc. I went to Washington D.C. as a Congressional Intern. I got to hear the way that pols talk when only other pols are around. Their black humor and highly inventive cursing made me laugh and laugh. I eventually came to tire of the seemingly bottomless ambition of everyone around me. Politics struck me as a rather soulless way to find satisfaction. I began to realize that politics, at least at the federal level, was a futile power game. It occurred to me that the rivals to politics for my intellectual energy (art, business life, philosophy) felt far more ennobling than working in politics. So now, I am an inveterate reader of news and I do vote. But I refuse to be involved on a more substantive level. Doing so would condone a system that I don't really believe in.