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To: Oak Tree who wrote (77916)	11/5/2000 9:22:41 AM
From: patim	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 95453

agree totally with you Oak... Whats more is the fact that the racist lied when asked if he was ever arrested. He is a bold face liar. He also failed to disclose it on a jury application. He is as phony as a 3 dollar bill and has no more ethics and morality than an anyone in the White House since Nixon. One more fact that is unbelievable. He stated point blank a few months ago that he did not think any children went to bed hungry in the state of Texas. No one can possibly be more ignorant than that. He has no idea about the reality of society. I have a lot of oil stocks and have done well this year. They may not do as good with Gore, but what a disaster Bush will be. His VP voted 18 times against aid to the victims of black lungs disease and never trusted us enough to disclose his arrests either.

To: Oak Tree who wrote (77916)	11/5/2000 1:56:11 PM
From: Razorbak	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 95453

O/T - "Excuses for W" Oak Tree: I don't understand why people make excuses for W. I was not making any excuses for George Bush. I was merely posting an article which, to me, was very interesting because it was written by a Libertarian, not a Republican. My wife almost died because she was hit by a drunk. My motherinlaw did die. How can he so lightly brush this off. He should be in jail. I'm sorry to hear about your loss. I, too, lost a loved one in a drunk driving accident over 20 years ago, in my case my older brother Terry, so I truly sympathize with your loss. Unfortunately, Terry was the one who was drunk... he and three of his pals... each over twice the legal limit... and his vehicle was the only one involved in the accident. They were driving home at 1:00 AM after a bachelor party, going 90 mph... ran off the road, hit an embankment, jumped 40 feet in the air, flipped, and caught on fire. Fortunately, a passer-by pulled all four passengers out of the car before they burned to a crisp. Two of the passengers were already dead, one died in route to the hospital, and one actually survived, but suffered in traction for months with a broken back. He was just as drunk as the rest, but was the only one wearing a seat belt. Terry obviously made a huge mistake, an extremely stupid choice, and he and his friends paid the highest price possible. Everyone in my family grieved for years after Terry's loss. Nevertheless, life goes on for true survivors, and that traumatic experience, hitting so close to home, doesn't keep me from drinking on occasion, even today. I make my own choices in life, and I take into account a number of factors, both past and present, which influence my own personal decisions. IMHO, one of the important things to note from this type of incident is how the person responds, both at the time of the incident, and later on in life. To me, some of the most telling points of the article were contained in the following sentences: He did not pull rank. He did not pull this "My Daddy’s a so-and-so" routine. The police officer who stopped him said he was a "picture of integrity. He gave no resistance. He was very cooperative." He walked into court. He plead guilty. None of this No Lo nonsense. He stood up and said "Guilty, your Honor." Paid a $150 fine and lost his driving privileges in Maine for two years. That spoke volumes to me. So did the fact that Bush eventually gave up drinking altogether. That's not an easy feat for anyone, and I really admire his final choice. Suffice to say, that despite my own personal experience with the pain that can be caused by drunk driving, this story just isn't enough to change my vote. He's lost my vote. Just out of curiosity, did "W" (your chosen reference, not mine) ever have your vote before? Were you really going to vote for "W" until this story broke? Please be honest here, since the issue of honesty is obviously important to you. (It is to me, as well.) Thanks in advance for your considered response. Best regards, Razor

To: Oak Tree who wrote (77916)	11/5/2000 8:25:17 PM
From: BCherry168	Respond to of 95453

FWIW, 24 years ago, most states did not have a mandatory jail sentence for first offence DUI. You can vote for "no controlling legal authority" or " I didn't know I collected $250,000 in Chinese Communist money at a fund raiser" Gore if you wish. But don't say its for the reason you gave. Its an inaccurate conclusion. Everyone should vote their own conscience.

To: Oak Tree who wrote (77916)	11/5/2000 9:02:43 PM
From: Razorbak	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 95453

O/T - License Suspension Oak Tree: Plus, his liscence in Maine was suspended for 2 years. Does anyone think that he didn't drive when he was in Maine visiting his family. Actually, it was only 30 days according to CNN... "Maine Laws on Drunken Driving Then and Now" November 3, 2000 Web posted at: 5:02 p.m. EST (2202 GMT) ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush said he told a Kennebunkport, Maine, police officer he had been drinking on September 4, 1976, when he was stopped for driving too slowly. Police found that he had a blood alcohol content of 0.10 percent and charged him with Operating Under the Influence (OUI), which is Maine's official term for drunken driving. Bush pleaded guilty to OUI and was fined $150 and had his driving privileges revoked in Maine for 30 days. "I think that's pretty much par for the course," said Matthew Nichols, a Maine attorney who specializes in drunken driving cases. ALSO Bush campaign fends off truthfulness questions after DUI disclosure Read the story Maine strengthened its OUI laws in 1988, lowering the legal limit from 0.10 percent to 0.08 percent, according to the state department of public safety. President Clinton signed a law last month that would reduce federal highway funding to states that do not lower their legal limits. Currently, 31 states have a limit of 0.10 percent. The punishments for drinking and driving have also increased in Maine. First time offenders now have their licenses suspended for 90 days and do not have to serve any jail time, unless there are aggravating factors such as driving more than 30 miles per hour over the speed limit, trying to elude police or having a blood alcohol content of 0.15 percent or higher. If there are aggravating circumstances, the offender has to spend a minimum of 48 hours in jail. There is also a fine of $400 for first time offenders, which is actually less than $150 Bush paid in 1976 when inflation is factored in. The U.S. Federal Reserve estimates that $150 in 1976 would be worth $453.43 today. cnn.com