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To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (77926)	11/5/2000 1:03:51 PM
From: Razorbak	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 95453

O/T - Poltics George: You act surprised that there are <<a whole lot of people who want to take America and the dollar down a few pegs>>. Well, surprise, surprise! How long do you think this new feeling has been in existence? Most Americans have never even ventured outside of the country (e.g., less than 5% even hold passports), much less lived in another country and had the unique opportunity of viewing the USA, its culture, and its politics from the outside. Those of us who have ever lived overseas (in my case, in five different countries over many years) know that this sentiment has been around for years. It is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a new phenomenon. In fact, this sentiment has been around for decades. BTW, the article you posted merely reiterated what are fairly commonly held opinions of the liberal wing of the British political spectrum. Just keep in mind that British liberals make Ralph Nader and the American Green Party look like right wing Attila's of the Hun persuasion. Razor

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (77926)	11/5/2000 1:34:01 PM
From: kodiak_bull	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 95453

George OT: If there is a huge resentment by foreigners, or envy, then I welcome it. It reminds me of the early 70s when there was a similar resentment against El Yanqui. Then the cost of LBJ's mindless escalation of Vietnam coupled with the OPEC shock gave us Nixonomics and Jimmy's "national malaise" and helicopters crashing in the desert. While I'm not in favor of any Japanese style hubris (and that is really the thing to guard against, more ill-fated pan global fantasies that can lead to another land war in, say, Asia) being the target of envy and regular potshots is just a cost of doing business as Numero Uno. Look in any industry and see how the top dog is treated (Microsoft, Nike, etc.). To borrow a metaphor from Slider, there are always going to be chihuahuas around, and the British intellectual from the 1930s on has simply been the Chihuahua nonpareil. The only thing more ridiculous would be to listen to a Parisian intellectual in the tradition of, say, Sartre. It won't be the outside forces which take the U.S. down a peg, in any event, it will be internal. With the European economy still tottering, the Euro an absolute fiasco, most of the European welfare state still intact, and with many countries still operating under de facto class sytems, it must be a nasty thumb in the eye to see the American colossus bounding from strength to strength. I can sympathize with them, but I wouldn't want to trade places with them, or listen too much to their policy views. It would be like copying the Super Bowl game plans from the Eagles in 1982. We will definitely take a breather, maybe even a recession, in the next 1-2 years, but our recession will still be more prosperous than any French or German (or British!!) boom you'll see in the next 10 years. JMVVHO, of course.

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (77926)	11/5/2000 2:26:57 PM
From: White Bear	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 95453

<<<One can dismiss British liberals, but when combined with similar feelings among many Europeans, Russians, Chinese, Arabs and Moslems -- that is a whole lot of people who want to take America and the dollar down a few pegs.>>> You forgot to mention the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Quickly becoming a patented way to by pass the Congress of the United states of America and to take the country down a few "pegs" by way of subverting the Constitution. The executive branch is getting the last laugh. That is what that persistent smile on bubba's face is all about. Remember we put a bunch of lawyers in power. Red and green ones at that. New York hasn't caught on yet I'm afraid. Sahara

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (77926)	11/5/2000 3:23:58 PM
From: Aggie	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 95453

OT - George, Razor, hello. I'd like to weigh in on this one, too. I have been working internationally on an exclusive basis for about a dozen years now: West Africa, North Africa, Europe, Southeast Asia, Former Soviet Union, South America. In all of these countries there is an element of inherent resentment of the US's might, and its willingness to lean on regions and countries to achieve its ends. This is an understandable aspect of human nature, to resent an outsider's influence, to whatever degree, in one's homeland. I'm sure you remember a similar time when the Japanese were buying up real estate and companies at a rate which was perceived to be alarming. Nevertheless - that resentment comes with a double helping of envy. I work shoulder to shoulder with these nationals, from virtually every societal level. And universally, while venting their grievances, they also acknowledge that the place to live - and the place they would do nearly anything to immigrate to - is the US. Be proud, but much more, be thankful. We live in the safest and greatest country in the world. On the subject of George W. The crime was a misdemeanor, not a felony. He is not obliged to report it when serving jury duty or while making other attestations, any more than one is obliged to report speeding tickets in those cases. Those questionnaires do not ask about arrests, they ask about convictions - felony convictions. There is no indication that he behaved in anything else but an honorable way. If there were, you can bet that it would be plastered all over the media in excrutiating detail, with the exception of the information's direct source. Regards to all and Get out the vote. Aggie