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Strategies & Market Trends : Steve's Channelling Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Denice who wrote (7300)11/6/2000 3:54:02 PM
From: vampire  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 30051
 
Exactly how will you know when the bottom's occur?

We've seen many a false bottom in this last decline and in fact, the bottom (short term at least) didn't even look like a "normal" bottom (i.e. there was no true capitulation)



To: Denice who wrote (7300)11/6/2000 4:14:01 PM
From: Logain Ablar  Respond to of 30051
 
Denise:

We all have different styles and there are various ways to make money in the market. Below is a post by Vadym on stops. Worth the read and if you have the time read all the posts on his thread. Vadym is one of the top traders I've come accross.

Message 14643468

Tim



To: Denice who wrote (7300)11/6/2000 4:19:34 PM
From: Bruce A. Thompson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 30051
 
Capitulation defined:

"The few times I have sold out, the market rebounded immediately and left me hanging. The times I didn't sell, it continued down and down and down. Once the market is down, my cash is tied up making it impossible to take advantage of the low prices we have seen several times this year"

BT



To: Denice who wrote (7300)11/6/2000 4:56:35 PM
From: mishedlo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 30051
 
Denice - I am with you
In fact I am ahead of you

I have been heavy in cash for some time and trying to follow Zeev is damn near impossible. Turnips can and do change on a dime and all of a sudden you will find yourself in a SCMR gap down of 15 points wondering what to do, while Zeev triples his position 3 times shaving 1-2 points to get even. gggg

The key point is knowing what is nuts and what is not.
CREE at 77 was nuts. (I knew this and did not pull the trigger)
RMBS at 36 was absolute nuts (I missed this because I was out) When I got back it was 49 and I did not know what to do having missed the bottom so badly, so I kept up my philosophy of buying more option on the way down.

IMHO options on the BU$$ are LESS risky than common because there is a chance (however small) that RMBS will lose to Infineon in court.

Now, back to the "problem"
When you are in cash you - have to have the guts to pull the trigger. Since we are not as good as ZEEV, buy big blocks but do not go all in. This is a trading market and there is always another chance.

In the meantime - do not just sit in cash and do nothing, buy SMALL positions in stocks or options to improve your trading skills.

Yesterday I bought CIEN 100 puts when it was near the high of the day. (Unfortunately only 2) But I near doubled my money on them. Same in RBAK but did not do as well.
I am sitting on AMZN PUTs from when it hit 40.

If SSTI drops to 20 I will be a big buyer of SSTI calls. In the meantime I try to improve my skills trading a couple thousand shares. RMBS at 60 is a screaming buy, I will add options at 65 and more at 60. The BU$$ is so damn unpredictable that I just buy options on the way down and sit on them. I have learned the hard way not to chase the BU$$ with too big a position, yet I feel naked without any.
That means I am too in love with the BU$$, a problem that needs over-coming. My position right now is relatively small.

I actually believe Zeev's bear scenario for next yer so another 2 great chances are coming up (Buy PUTs at the top BUY calls at the bottom) If we are even close - we will do very very well.

Thanks - for the question.

Actually I was depressed about missing this runup, but having made and lost a fortune this year, I am still way up percentage wise, but unbelievably down from my highs in March and AUG.

That said - thanks for your question because for those new at trading, I believe this strategy is correct, but sharpen your skills with small trades in the meantime.

Good luck to both of us in this strategy.



To: Denice who wrote (7300)11/6/2000 6:40:47 PM
From: Zeev Hed  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 30051
 
Sorry I could not respond earlier, I had to leave in a rush as I finished the edit of my last post. Before I left, I did not like the fact that the 3450 acted as more of a barrier than I expected (I expected one or two bounces and then a breakout by 3:00 PM, it did not happen) and since I am out tomorrow morning, I felt I did not want the heavy exposure and decided to increase cash for a short time to the 35% to 40%. So by the time I posted my last post, I also put sell orders on a number of stocks just above the price there. I got out of RDRT at $8-3/16 ($1.125 to the good), $22-7/8 on SSTI ($3 to the good), $70-3/4 on CMRC (a good one, $12 to the good, but the last trip was $14) and SCMR at $70 ($7 to the good). That got me to about 37% cash (other GTC simply did not hit...).

As for your question, I really do not know the answer. My experience is that I make 80% of my profits on 20% of my trades. The other 80% include the losses and more minor profits. It depends a lot on the market you are in.

Before I decide on a "trading stance" I consult the turnips as to the general market health and cycle. I use the road map they lay out for me to design the strategy.

Early in the year, the turnips were correctly bullish until March and I was fortunate to be in the like of JNPR, BRCM and BRCD for doubles on each, and I did not trade then for the full three first months, I posted these early on the thread and then let them run. Similar good move in VECO and CYMI early in the year (prior to the March massacre), and fantastic runs in HAUP, CDTS and SCON (all documented here) helped as well. Then we got the March decline, but I did not overstay my welcome. I took advantage of the first bottom for the April Rally, but in April warned every one of another decline coming in in May. My turnip misled me there and I started deployment around the 18th (they had the 20th as the bottom, and I try and get into few positions before the bottom, since those have a habit of turning first). Well, that cost me a little bundle, since the market did not bottom until the 28th, nevertheless, I was fully loaded for the "stealth rally" that got us eventually to 4350. When you go from 3050 to 4350, you got to have few great winners, and I did.

Right now, the turnips are still showing a rally to 3650 by late November a decline to the 3100/3200 into early December (could it be right here? na) and then a year end rally. By the middle of January will be watching for signs that the market is dying.

Another tactic is "fast trading" in just four, five stocks (like right now, I am concentrating on RMBS, VECO, RDRT, SCMR and CREE) that are highly volatile. That is tricky (and two of them, SCMR and VECO left me in the lurch with big losses in the last few weeks, forcing me to work hard to recover those losses, RDRT pulled such a trick on me as well, but last Monday, sensing a debacle coming, I got out of the bu$$ just before it gapped down on Tuesday). If you follow few stocks closely, you should develop a sense from their trading behavior as to when a directional change is to occur. Often, I get it wrong (my recent entries into HAUP and CCRD are such cases).

Finally, I do not let any position get above 10% of the folio. Typically I start with 2% to 3%, on rare occasions, when the turnips miss a turning point I would double down when it goes against me (that is not a good philosophy by the way, and I am ready to throw the towel before the end of the year on HAUP, that approach has a tendency of concentrating your assets into "loosing situations"). CCRD seems to be healing, and I might be lucky and actually make money on it (I bought at $9-3/4 for a dcb that never came than doubled up at $7-7/16, big mistake, but I might be all right on this one still).

I do not use just a single tactic either, in some cases, I try to let the profit runs (like CREE, CMRC, recently, QLTI and the holy one earlier in the year and of course, the trio JNPR, BRCD and BRCM and the bu$$ very early in the year). Other time I simply "play the channel" and get caught in an updraft like the bu$$ (or downdraft) from time to time. The thing I rarely do is hoping that a stock will come back to my buying point. I would rather sell at a loss and try and get back in even lower if I still like the company (it often works, I did that a lot with SCMR in the last four weeks).

Finally, many stock I do trade, i will give a short rationale here on the thread as to why I think that trade might be a good one, or when I leave a stock, like the holy one, why I think it is dying a slow death (like HAUP). Remember, you cannot win them all (I surely cannot), so don't let your losers drag your folio down the drain, recognize your error as fast as possible and get to the next game in town.

Good luck, I hope this help, but i don't think that I am going to write a book about this. Too many patents to write (VBG).

By the way, it is rare that I make 100% on the total folio per year, somehow I always get caught with an SPCT or PROG that comes back and bite me hard.

Zeev



To: Denice who wrote (7300)11/6/2000 11:28:02 PM
From: Pink Minion  Respond to of 30051
 
I think it is important to have your own style - make your own trades. Whenever I follow someone's trade, I usually lose. Zeev has years and years of experience and following him could be dangerous. If you played golf with Tiger Woods, would you try to hit the same shots as he does?

To be a successful trader requires years and years of experience. Why would it be any different than any other profession (doctor, lawyer, etc)?

Making 100% a year is unrealistic, unless you are starting with 1K.