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To: coug who wrote (61198)	11/6/2000 10:21:44 PM
From: SecularBull	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

You completely miss the point. I do not dislike Al Gore because he's a liberal. I dislike Gore because he is a fraud of a human being. Nader is more liberal than Gore, but Nader has core beliefs that he does not betray like some whore looking for votes. Core beliefs are apparently foreign to the great number of pundits and Dems that are crying foul over Nader "taking" votes from Gore. The assumption is arrogantly made that Nader voters should vote for Gore, because he's the liberal with a chance of winning. That arrogance completely casts aside the core beliefs of Nader's supporters, and it is and should be quite insulting. You are not going to get those people to vote for Gore by arrogantly insulting their conviction. I think that in the end, Bill Clinton will be reviled by the Democratic Party for having destroyed the party's integrity at a very critical moment in American politics. Nader is a true response to that. He seeks to redirect the party indirectly, and if that fails, he seeks to take the mantle from the party (and start a new party). Ross Perot was successful in much the same way in '92 and '96. He was amusing to watch, but he indirectly reshaped the political agendas of the two major parties (a change that made his platform quasi-redundant). Both parties adapted to his message to appeal to his voters. Nader won't pull Bush votes, as much as Perot pulled in both directions. Nevertheless, he will either drive the Dems to return further to the left, or he will put them in the middle of his party and the Republicans (making the Dems odd man out). That is the biggest fear of the establishment Dems, and it is a legitimate fear. The party is going to have to move left to maintain its strength, and Nader will have won the war (even though he will lose the battle tomorrow). LoF

To: coug who wrote (61198)	11/6/2000 10:22:13 PM
From: $Mogul	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Aren't they...disgusting isn't it.

To: coug who wrote (61198)	11/6/2000 11:28:01 PM
From: Selectric II	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

No one is "buttering up" Nader. He is invincible, and everybody knows it. To the contrary, I admire and respect Nader. Any liberal with just half a brain would vote Nader, not Gore. But anybody who's engaging in a "vote swap" fantasy should rest assured that the Gore swappers who Naderites supposedly were paired with, will vote the party line for Gore, and gloat about how they "got you" for their vote. Later, it will be seen as just another Gore dirty trick.