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Politics : Electoral College 2000 - Ahead of the Curve -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Triffin who wrote (1395)	11/9/2000 7:46:25 PM
From: TraderGreg	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6710

That would be nice but there are not 25 unpledged electors in FL. There are 50 candidates for electors(25 Dems and 25 Repubs). That is what caused the 1876 fiasco. TG

To: Triffin who wrote (1395)	11/9/2000 7:51:35 PM
From: TraderGreg	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6710

Here is how I see this whole thing and I will try to be impartial, but please bear with me. The Repubs want the recount to be the FINAL determination. They do not want a revote(even if restricted to ONLY those who voted in Palm Beach County on Tuesday) The Dems want a revote restricted to only those who voted on Tuesday because of a problem with the Ballot. Now, for the analysis: The Dems want the revote or further pursuit of the answer to the double punched ballots etc. because they believe that the construct of that ballot took votes away from Gore. The Repubs do not want the revote or further pursuit of teh ballot issue because they also believe the construct of that ballot took votes away from Gore and they believe Bush would thus lose. In other words, even if it can be shown/proven that the ballot is illegal/misleading, they would still not want a revote again. I know it sounds like spin, but if you think about it, I believe I am right. TG

To: Triffin who wrote (1395)	11/9/2000 8:22:01 PM
From: TraderGreg	Respond to of 6710

Notwithstanding my prior post, let me say that no matter who wins this election loses. The weakening that will be imposed on the new President will be substantial. Again as part of the continuing education in political science that I impart<g>, let me give you this. After reading this, you will see my point clearly. Presidents who won close elections/controversials Adams...1 term JQ Adams...1 term Hayes...1 term Garfield...assasinated but his VP didn't even get the nomination Cleveland...1 term Harrison...1 term Kennedy...assassinated and his VP won a landslide Nixon...relected but resigned from office Carter...1 term Except for Richard Nixon, all of the close elections produced 1 term presidents. Then again he was forced out. Note: Wilson's 2nd election was close but not the first one. Presidents who won elections that weren't close Washington...2 terms(unanimous) Jefferson...2 terms(his first election did have a problem with bad wording re: EC voting but Jefferson beat Adams bad Madison, MOnroe, Jackson...2 terms Van Buren...1 term Harrison...died in office, his VP did not run again Polk... 1 term Taylor...died in office Pierce...1 term Buchanan...1 term Lincoln...2 terms but assassinated,Johnson impeached Grant...2 terms Cleveland...2 terms non-consecutive(his 2nd term was big win, but he didn't run again) McKinley...2 terms but he was assassinated in 2nd term Roosevelt..most of two terms after McKinley assassination Taft...1 term Wilson...2terms (1st election was a blowout) Harding...1 term died in office Coolidge...finished Hardings term and won blow out Hoover...1 term FDR...4 terms died in office Truman...finished FDR term and his re-election(believe it or not) was not close! Eisenhower...2 terms Johnson...finished Kennedy's term, elected but chose not to run in 1968 Nixon(2nd election)...resigned from office Reagan...2 terms Bush...1 term Clinton...2 terms Note that there is a clear correlation between closeness of the election and ability to get re-elected. Exceptions: The pre civil war guys, Taft(who pissed Roosevelt off), Wilson(his 2nd term election was the close one), Hoover(can you say Great Depression),Bush( it's the economy stupid).