To: Mr. Whist who wrote (67083 ) 11/9/2000 8:14:34 PM From: bwanadon Respond to of 769670 Already happened to me with an employer (non-union) that went bankrupt. Out of a job, one year old child and wife to support, medical bills that could not be paid from company funds (they were self insured for the first $50K of individual medical payments), 3 weeks vacation pay lost. It happens. 15 years ago this coming June. It happens. I was a staunch democrat (worked in the McGovern and Church campaigns as a youth and young man). Had always been a strong union supporter, until I actually had to supervise ujnion workers. Over the years it became apparent to me that many of them simply had a very poor work ethic and no interest in performing a job well just for prides sake. The petty grievences that got filed, the assholes that insisted on having 4 more workers on a project than were possibly needed, the man you paid 8 hours to literally turn on a pump at the beginning an end of each shift that sat there and read a book for 7 hours and 50 minutes. There was no way to work around many of the lazy and stubborn ones, and I worked on government projects where they milked the system for every dollar they could. Now, I will also tell you that the prime contractors (the Martin Marietta's, the Stone Websters, etc) milked the system as well, perhaps worse. I am no fan of corporate welfare either. I understand the give and take of these relationships (employer and worker)and the importance of unions in the development of our country but groups like the NEA and (to a lesser extent)the UAW have become too corrupt. I work in auto plants all the time and there is one sight that I never fail to see : a forklift operator snoozing or reading a book. If it doesn't go on where you work consider yourself blessed.