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To: tekboy who wrote (8057)	11/10/2000 11:37:25 AM
From: Dr. Id	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22706

This Just In: Bush or Gore May Win! michaelmoore.com November 8, 2000 5:00pm ET Dear friends, It's a cliffhanger! >From my vantage point -- and, hey, whadda I know? -- I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that.... EITHER BUSH OR GORE IS ABSOLUTELY GONNA WIN! And when they do, just as soon as those votes in Florida are recounted and/or challenged -- and no matter which way the vote goes -- here is the country we are going to get with Bush-or-Gore (based on their own campaign platforms and statements in which they agreed with each other): Bush-or-Gore will spend billions of dollars more on the Pentagon -- and God knows, we need more missiles to defend ourselves from ... well, from ... you know ... all those enemies! Bush-or-Gore will continue the death penalty with enthusiasm! Revenge works! Bush-or-Gore will oppose UNIVERSAL health coverage! Get sick? Get f-----! Bush-or-Gore will vigorously support NAFTA and WTO and the removal of even MORE jobs to third world countries! Cheaper shoes! Bush-or-Gore will continue the embargo against that scary, scary country -- Cuba! Bush-or-Gore will continue bombing Iraq and keep up the embargo of food and medicine that costs 5,000 infants and children their lives every month! Yea! Less Iraqis! Bush-or-Gore have promised to expand the War on Drugs that locks up another million of our citizens who need help with their addictions! And we'll get the added bonus of our next military incursion ... in sunny South America! Bush-or-Gore are going to raise the minimum wage by a whopping 50 cents an hour next year! More Hamburger Helper! Bush-or-Gore have said it must remain illegal for gays and lesbians to enter into civil unions with each other (eeeeuuww! yuck!). Bush-or-Gore will give us a presidency and a White House that has been bought with $540 million of "contributions" from the wealthiest 10%. The rich will have their issues attended to with diligence. The rest of us? We need to get in that 10% Club! No wonder this vote is sooooo close. Two guys who promise the same thing find out that they get the same vote! This system is genius! In the interests of full disclosure, please note that Gore (who voted to put anti-abortion zealot Scalia on the Supreme Court) has said he believes in a woman's right to choose. So that would be "different." And if he follows through, that would be important. And, if Bush is the President ... well, uh, look at the bright side: All Americans will share a common bond. Everyone will be able to say, "I'M smarter than the President of the United States!" Not bad, eh? So, cheer up! No matter which way it goes, somebody is going to be president. Yours, Michael Moore theawfultruth.com

To: tekboy who wrote (8057)	11/10/2000 12:17:19 PM
From: Mike Buckley	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22706

tekboy, I mean, we have certain criteria for voting, and certain criteria for driving. If you meet them, you get to do the things in question, if you don't meet them, you don't. That's why I didn't appreciate the distinction between the two that DS apparently sees. And speaking of driving, last night I renewed my driver's license online. It cost me $1 less, which was the motivating factor. --Mike Buckley

To: tekboy who wrote (8057)	11/10/2000 7:30:15 PM
From: EnricoPalazzo	Respond to of 22706

Driving an automobile is a privilege, not a right. Voting is a right interesting point. But I wonder if this is more than a semantic difference if you really get to the bottom of it. I mean, we have certain criteria for voting, and certain criteria for driving. If you meet them, you get to do the things in question, if you don't meet them, you don't. I mostly agree with you, but I should point out that we as a society have gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure that voting is a right with a very, very low hurdle to jump over. That's the point of these florida election laws which appear to have been violated. True, things like poll taxes and literacy tests were thrown out not because they kept some people from voting, but because they kept certain types of people from voting (equal protection and all that). This all goes to our legal system's wacky definition of "arbitrary," but that's another story.

To: tekboy who wrote (8057)	11/11/2000 5:27:41 PM
From: DownSouth	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 22706

The only criteria for voting are citizenship and no felonies. Then you register. It's not a test. To take that right away from you requires a jury trial (felony) or a change in citizenship. The right to vote is protected by the Constitution of the US. A driver's license is provided to you on a temporary basis after you pass a competency (driving) test. You must renew that license. A magistrate can take your license away with not even a trial, in many if not most states. A judge can take your license away for misdemeanor in your driving record. The privilege of driving is not addressed in the Constitution. It's up to the states to set those laws. Semantics? I think not.