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To: CAtechTrader who wrote (14332)11/10/2000 8:56:26 PM
From: Voltaire  Respond to of 65232
 
Good post CT,

I think the powers that be in the Democratic party are making a grave mistake politically if this continues past the absentee ballots. As ABC reported, 62% of Democrats are not even High School graduates. That's fine, I understand where they are coming from and then there are their supposedly educated leaders. The problem for them are those between these two groups that are educated well meaning, not BLOCK VOTE MINDED that sincerely believed in the integrity and character of their party that will become extremely and possibly eternally disillusioned. I have talked with several that have stated their extreme disappointment and unwillingness to participate with this sort of action and attitude in the future.

The New York Times and Washington Post I believe understand this.

DON'T LET THEM FINE US OUT AL!

V



To: CAtechTrader who wrote (14332)11/10/2000 10:03:19 PM
From: Dr. Id  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 65232
 
Re: The HONORABLE Legacy of Richard Nixon:

It's a Myth That Nixon Acquiesced in 1960
By DAVID GREENBERG

     Despite thousands of contested ballots in Florida's Palm Beach County, a
lot of people are calling on Al Gore to act like a mensch and concede the
election to George W. Bush--as they contend Richard M. Nixon did in 1960 when
he lost to John F. Kennedy amid rumors of fraud. Even the veteran New York
Times reporter R.W. Apple on Thursday quoted from Nixon's memoirs to this
effect.
     It's certainly true that Nixon claimed he spurned advice from President
Eisenhower to dispute the election results in order to spare the country a
constitutional crisis. (He was saving that for 1973.) And, indeed, Nixon's
version of events now borders on accepted fact. But it's a myth and a false
precedent.
     Here's what really happened: In 1960, Nixon lost to Kennedy by 113,000
ballots of 68 million cast--0.2% of the overall tally. In several states the
vote was excruciatingly close. Allegations surfaced that Chicago Mayor
Richard J. Daley's machine and Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson's cronies in Texas
fixed those states' ballots, stealing their combined 51 electoral votes from
Nixon and tipping the election. (The final electoral count was 303-219.)
     The fraud rumors sent Nixon's people into conniptions. Republican
officials pressed hard for a recount bid, though Eisenhower was not leading
the charge. Early on, the president did endorse the idea, but he soon changed
his mind, provoking bitterness among Nixon's aides. According to Nixon's
friend, Ralph de Toledano, a conservative journalist, Nixon knew Ike's
position yet claimed anyway that he, not the president, was the one
advocating restraint. "This was the first time I ever caught Nixon in a lie,"
Toledano recalled.
     More to the point, while Nixon publicly pooh-poohed a challenge, his
allies aggressively pursued one. Much of this history has, incredibly, been
forgotten as biographers such as Stephen E. Ambrose have propounded Nixon's
line. But a glance at the 1960 newspapers shows that GOP leaders tried to
undo the results. They knew it was a longshot, but the effort continued right
up until the electoral college certified Kennedy's win on Dec. 19.
     GOP leaders had reason to conduct even a doomed campaign. Even if they
ultimately lost, they reasoned, they could still taint Kennedy's victory.
They could claim he had no mandate, galvanize their rank and file and build a
winning issue for upcoming elections.
     So on Nov. 11, three days after the election, Thruston B. Morton, a
Kentucky senator and the Republican Party's national chairman, launched bids
for recounts or investigations in not just Illinois and Texas but also
Delaware, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada,
Pennsylvania and South Carolina. A few days later, Robert H. Finch and
Leonard W. Hall, two Nixon intimates, sent agents to conduct what they called
"field checks" in eight of those 11 battlegrounds.
     In New Jersey, local Republicans obtained court orders for recounts;
Texans brought suit in federal court. Illinois witnessed the most vigorous
crusade. Nixon aide Peter Flanigan encouraged the creation of a Chicago-area
Nixon Recount Committee. As late as Nov. 23, Republican National Committee
general counsel H. Meade Alcorn Jr. was still predicting Nixon would take
Illinois. On Dec. 2, Morton dramatically flew into Chicago while a Cook
County recount was underway.
     All the while, leading Republicans, as well as Nixon himself, claimed
that the vice president had nothing to do with the efforts. But the
involvement of such close aides as Finch and Hall makes such an assertion
implausible. More likely, Nixon was shrewd enough not to muddy himself
directly in the grimy business because, as he later wrote, getting involved
would mean "charges of 'sore loser' would follow me through history and
remove any possibility of a further political career."
     In the end, these efforts came to naught. In some cases (New Jersey,
Illinois), the GOP obtained recounts but they didn't change the final vote.
In other cases (Texas), judges rejected the GOP's bids for recounts. As it
turned out (as several academic studies have concluded), some fraud existed,
but not enough to alter the outcome.
     Still, because of the ruckus that the Republicans kicked up, they
succeeded in tainting Kennedy's triumph. Nixon proved canny enough to wage
his battles while escaping opprobrium. Nixon may have been a loser, but he
was nobody's fool.

- - -

David Greenberg, a Whiting Fellow at Columbia University, Is Writing a Book
About Nixon's Place in American Culture