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To: Valley Girl who wrote (53168)11/11/2000 12:59:02 PM
From: johnd  Respond to of 74651
 
I would buy quality blue chips like MSFT, INTC and CSCO because I feel whoever is the next president, these three would do very very well in 2001. I like an opportunity like this caused by short term uncertainity.



To: Valley Girl who wrote (53168)11/11/2000 3:01:50 PM
From: Thunder  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74651
 
Since performing such recounts only in precincts carried by Gore would be unfair, Mr. Bush should have responded by called for his own manual counts in the precincts he won, or if necessary the entire state.

Now they are setting aside those ballots that may have an indication of a mark, but not fully punctured, that will need to be defined as the "intent" and the "will" of the selectors; by other people. Argh. Then there's those "phantom ballots", which there were selections made, but, without a Presidential candidate selected at all. The Dem's, of course, are now asking: "Can you really honestly believe they didn't intend to vote for a President". This really is a sink hole, no matter what Bush did, or did not do. Like they said: "It's not the accuracy they are looking for, but rather the most recent results that count, for them". True, they could counter the favorable variant results with selected counties of there own, but he would have been damned-if-he-did that too.



To: Valley Girl who wrote (53168)11/11/2000 3:10:00 PM
From: David Howe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74651
 
<< I'm expecting another sell-off Monday. The uncertainty just gets worse with each passing day. >>

This looks likely to me as well. Overall, my views, as follow, are now focused on getting our country back on track, with a speedy resolution. In the end, I'm now of the belief that Gore will end up our next president.

I’ve been strongly outspoken against the antics of the Gore camp. My opinion is that the use of the so called confusing ballot is irresponsible and is so unjust that it is a willful effort to subvert the process. This is resulting in long term damage to our country and the world markets and economy.

With that said, I'm changing my stance somewhat based on the latest news. My support of Bush is unchanged, but my desire to get the country back on track is equally strong.

The disruption to the economy and the stock market could do long term damage if this drags on very long. If a speedy resolution is somehow found, the damage may be minimal. While I'm a strong Bush supporter, I'm an even stronger supporter of the US and hope that this simply gets resolved, either way.

The tactics the democrats are using are deplorable. The threat of using the so called confusing ballot as a legal issue to drag this out, is truly outrageous and I feel strongly that the use of this ploy is severely irresponsible.

On the other hand, I've crunched some numbers and it looks to me that the hand count will show that Gore did have more votes. Clearly if they hand count the ballots in heavily democratic areas Gore will pick up quite a few votes. Probably enough to put him in the lead. Next, Bush will be forced to ask that ALL counties be counted by hand. This turns it into an absolute toss up again.

If Gore wins Florida on the hand count Bush might be forced to ask for re-counts in Iowa, Oregon and Wisconsin. All states that Gore won by an extremely narrow margin. New Mexico would also be re-counted as it is now a narrow victory for Bush.

If it gets to this point, I think Bush might actually end up doing the noble thing, conceding, before the recounts actually take place. He would look honorable and set himself up for the 2004 election. Gore would get very little done over the next 4 years and might well be blamed for the coming recession. This whole dispute is increasing the likelihood of a hard landing and a fairly serious recession. Gore and the democrats won't get many new supporters if the unemployment rate rises and the economy suffers for a few years. It would be a shame if Bush was in office at that time and unfairly took the blame. It would also be a shame if Bush was not elected and could not move the country in the direction that he intends. However, I think it's better for the country to get this over with. Still pulling for Bush with my heart and soul, but I'm pulling for a speedy resolution as well.

Dave



To: Valley Girl who wrote (53168)11/11/2000 6:14:57 PM
From: PMS Witch  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74651
 
Off topic -- Election stuff ...

I'm not familiar with U.S. voting, but from the little I've been exposed to, I'm getting the impression that introducing the counting of votes mechanically was in no small measure motivated by the desire to reduce the errors commonly associated with manual counts. If this is true, what is being proposed is the outcome of a close election being determined after an accurate automated vote counting method has been discarded in favour of error prone humans performing a manual tally using methods proven unreliable. This, it is hoped, will more accurately assess the will of the majority of voters.

I'm beginning to think that G.W.B. may get some temporary 'brownie points' by coming forward and conceding the election to A.G. for the good of the nation, only to let the pendulum of prosperity swing against AG's presidency during the next four years. G.W.B. could run in 2004. Fortunately, I've not wasted too much effort following this train of thought, since the more I look at it the more ridiculous it seems: Politicians would crawl through iodine pools filled with broken glass in the pursuit of power, and to concede to an opponent when there's still the narrowest chance of victory would be denying the very nature of their existence.

Cheers, PW.

colonize.com



To: Valley Girl who wrote (53168)11/11/2000 7:01:58 PM
From: John F. Dowd  Respond to of 74651
 
Valley Girl: Spoken as your name would suggest. The point of the hand count (which is inherently less accurate - hence we try and do all balloting by electromechanical means) is not to get a more accurate count but rather to guess what was on the voters mind when they voted especially those ballots that are screwed up. If you cannot see the mischief potential bound up in allowing this to happen you are indeed a "Valley Girl". Regards,JFD



To: Valley Girl who wrote (53168)11/12/2000 12:05:49 AM
From: nommedeguerre  Respond to of 74651
 
Valley Girl,

Thanks for posting the clearheaded thoughts of a real Republican. It would be more entertaining if you could somehow tie in the baby Jesus, a few Nixon-Daley conspiracies or some down-home wisdom in each of your posts but somebody has to be the voice-of-reason on this three-ring thread.

Cheers,

Norm



To: Valley Girl who wrote (53168)11/12/2000 2:45:57 AM
From: Harvey Allen  Respond to of 74651
 
Bush Team Prepares 'Scorched-Earth' Plan

The battle to win 270 votes in the electoral college has taken on a unique calculus. Florida remains crucial, but the close outcomes in New Mexico, Wisconsin, Iowa and Oregon are critical in what one Republican operative called a "scorched-earth strategy" GOP officials hope to avoid implementing.

The strategy is to challenge Gore's close wins in Iowa, Wisconsin and, perhaps, Oregon. If successful in Wisconsin with 11 electoral votes and either Oregon or Iowa, with 7 each, Bush could then, under this scenario, still win in the electoral college without Florida's 25 votes.

washingtonpost.com

P.S. I wonder if Texas death row inmates get as many chances?