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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (5607)	11/12/2000 1:16:37 AM
From: Frank Griffin	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 10042

Stop The Insanity by John McIntyre The Gore campaign, pending the result of the remaining overseas ballots, lost the election Tuesday in the state of Florida. An automatic recount that went into effect due to the closeness of the original vote has appeared to reaffirm George W. Bush as the winner of the state - again, pending the result of the remaining overseas ballots. By winning the state of Florida, Governor Bush has accumulated the necessary 270 electoral votes to win the Presidency. The Gore campaign, realizing they lost the election Tuesday and were very likely to lose the mandatory recount, took a very aggressive approach Thursday. Their original focus was on the "unfairness" that 19,000+ people may have been confused and thus were "denied" their Constitutional right to vote. Gore campaign chairman Bill Daley told us the Palm Beach County ballot was "illegal" even though the ballot had been legally designed by an elected Democrat and approved by a bipartisan panel of election officials. Still, the Gore campaign made it very clear from the beginning they were willing to fight this election in court, irrespective of the disastrous consequences that course of action would mean for the country. Over the next 24 hours senior Democrats and liberal newspaper editorials, including the NY Times and others, essentially told the Gore campaign to back off this litigious approach. Realizing their "win at all cost" mentality was not going to sell even with their own supporters, the Gore campaign made the only decision they could and took the position that "we will just have to continue to recount these votes until we get enough to win." Having lost the first two counts, the Gore campaign is now pushing for a third count, this time by hand, in four overwhelming Democratic counties. Is there any doubt who will be ahead in the state of Florida after this third "hand count?" The Bush campaign, fully aware of the likely outcome of these "hand counts" in pro-Gore counties, today filed a Federal injunction to prevent this third count. The press has had a field day telling the America public how the Bush campaign has gone to court to prevent a "fair" count of the vote in Florida. As a result, with the cooperation of the gleeful national networks, this whole process will descend even further into a sickening public relations campaign and legal quagmire. Someone has to stop this madness, before it spirals out of control. The national press with their ridiculous and terribly biased call of Florida on election night, has proven their inability to fairly present the facts to the American people. The networks act like this is a game, just a continuation of the horse race for the Presidency. It is not. This is not a sporting event or an excuse for a ratings bonanza. This is a national tragedy unfolding right in front of our eyes. Where are the voices of reason? Where are our country's leaders? Where are the country's statesman? Do we really want to risk the uncertainty of where this might lead? When will the insanity stop?

To: epicure who wrote (5607)	11/12/2000 12:01:45 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

X, two state employees were fired. It doesn't matter that this event went on at Tufts or was a privately funded seminar. After all, why was the event announced as being co-sponsored by the Massachusetts Department of Education, the Governor’s Commission, and GLSEN co-sponsored a statewide conference at Tufts University called "Teach-Out"? It seems pretty clear that this was, at least partially funded, by the state. All you have to explain to me is why TWO STATE EMPLOYEES WERE FIRED AS A RESULT OF THEIR PARTICIPATION. Now why would 3 State employees be participating unless they were being paid their salaries? The three people in question GAVE PRESENTATIONS at this conference: o Margot E. Abels, Coordinator, HIV/AIDS Program, Massachusetts Dept. of Education o Julie Netherland, Coordinator, HIV/AIDS Program, Massachusetts Dept. of Education O Michael Gaucher, Consultant, HIV/AIDS Program, Massachusetts Dept. of Public Health The Department of Public Health employee, Michael Gaucher, had the following exchange with one student, who appeared to be about 16 years old: Michael Gaucher: "What orifices are we talking about?" Student: [hesitation] Michael Gaucher: "Don’t be shy, honey; you can do it." Student: "Your mouth." Michael Gaucher: "Okay." Student: "Your ass." Michael Gaucher: "There you go." Student: "Your pussy. That kind of place." ******** AND THEN the other Dept of Education employee, Julie Netherland had THIS exchange: "A lesson in fisting?" There was a five minute pause so that all of the teenagers could write down questions for the homosexual presenters. The first question was read by Julie Netherland, "What’s fisting?" A student answered this question by informing the class that "fisting" is when you put your "whole hand into the ass or pussy" of another. When a few of the students winced, the Department of Public Health employee offered, "A little known fact about fisting: you don’t make a fist like this. It’s like this." He formed his hand into the shape of a tear drop rather than a balled fist. He informed the children that it was much easier. And then Margaret Abels of the Mass Dept of Health had this exchange: Margot Abels told the students that "fisting" is not about forcing your hand into somebody’s "hole, opening or orifice" if they don’t want it there. She said that "usually" the person was very relaxed and opened him or herself up to the other. She informed the class that it is a very emotional and intense experience. At this point, a youngster of about 16 asked why someone would want to do that. He stated that if the hand were pulled out quickly, the whole thing didn’t sound very appealing to him. Margot Abels was quick to point out that although fisting "often gets a really bad rap," it usually isn’t about the pain, "not that we’re putting that down." Margot Abels informed him and the class that "fisting" was "an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with." When a child asked the question, "Why would someone do this?" Margot Abels provided a comfortable response to the children, in order to "put them into an exploratory mode." Now just what the hell state employees think they are doing by twisting their anti-STD program into a discussion of sexual techniques absolutely defies logic. And I never said that 1.5 million went to just that seminar. It is what they were budgeting to homosexual teen anti-suicide and AIDS prevention programs for the year. Now compare that to how much is likely being spent on heterosexual education programs and I could see quite a bias. Considering that gays make up 10% (MAX) of the population, then heterosexual sex ed classes should be receiving $13 million in funding equivalent. And maybe a better question is, WHY WOULD EITHER PROGRAM JUSTIFY BEING FUNDED? And even if it were as you state, how can you justify permitting teenagers to be exposed to that kind of material (sexual techniques and activities) without forewarning the parents or demanding that parents accompany their children. In fact, I've seen "R" rated movies that were less graphic than the discussion the transcript reveals. In my view, schools should NOT be in the business of teaching sexual positions. It is one thing to teach anti-STD/AIDS awareness and pass out free condoms, and quite another to be answering questions that even Penthouse and Playboy barely touch upon. Now if you can't understand that X, then that's YOUR PROBLEM and your own moral burden. But the more that public education fails to protect and respect the wishes of parents, the more kids who will be dragged out of these schools and home taught, or put into private school. If you have information that you'd care to share, then that would be fine. But it still won't explain why 3 Massachusetts State Education/Health employees were intimately involved in discussing graphic sexual practices with minors. Explain that one with your "data and research".** And while you're at it, why not order the tape of the entire exchange that was recorded. Btw, the recorder of this event was later charged with illegal wire-tapping (although this was a public event) and the judge put a gag order on all parties involved. Now just what the hell is up with that? What did they have to hide?