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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: LTK007 who wrote (5610)	11/12/2000 2:51:11 AM
From: Frank Griffin	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10042

You are the wimp. Cowardly theft of an election. If they do one county then all the counties in the state need to be hand counted. All or none. The unpatriotic group will not prevail. It is a black day in American history. You had better get out of the market. Gore's crash! He is a failure already.

To: LTK007 who wrote (5610)	11/12/2000 3:05:08 AM
From: DOUG H	Respond to of 10042

-that was a heroic moment watching her stand against Judge Burton---i just watched history live and in the raw-Palm Beach has defied the fear tactics,and the insinuations that It is not an act of heroism to act in one's self interest. As a Democratic partisian, she acted to further her own cause. Nothing heroic about that.

To: LTK007 who wrote (5610)	11/12/2000 4:38:03 AM
From: Dan B.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

Re: "i just watched history live and in the raw-Palm Beach has defied the fear tactics,and the insinuations that IF you do this,you may damage all history and your county---a portrait in courage---..." Hey, I did too. Carol Robert's cohort, ragged from days of tears over her ballot design, tried to insist she had seconded Judge Burton's motion to seek council from the state(to be received on Sunday), and had to be told to withdraw her second by an outside party(?). It was fairly sad. Instead, the democrat ladies heroically voted against the judge by passing their motion to take Sunday off and go ahead with a plot to work out plans for a handcount Monday at 10:00am- actual work commencing soon thereafter, presumably. Of course, this will affect the fairness of the statewide count, IMO. It's said Gore can gain 1900 or so votes in the county, extrapolating the numbers. However, since other precincts did not go as strongly for Gore as those sampled, I'll estimate he gains about 800-1400, for a 400 to 1000 point lead going into the absentee count. With a thousand point lead, and a 3000 vote absentee total, Bush would need 66%, or 2000 of the 3000 absentees, to go in his favor. This would be difficult, but if my low-end handcount gain estimate for Gore is closer to the truth, Bush would need only 1700 to Gore's 1300(total-3000), or about 57%- very doable. Doable for Bush, eh? Yeah. Well, that might end it. And then, if necessary, I do have to suspect that if the Bush camp shows that they can get recounts in the rest of the state or even just certain parts of it, Gore's lead would not stand up. The argument for the handcount, was simply to make sure all the votes get counted in a situation where the outcome could be affected. But you see, this will remain the valid case when Bush wants a handcount elsewhere in the state, and I hope he will and can. Then it would be clear Gore should concede, though the 19, 23, or 26,000(who ya listen too?) thrown out ballots are being challenged. By then, it looks as though Bush might be ahead in the popular vote, too, given California and it's million uncounted absentee's. Gore would have to re-count NY and such to make that up- and then even that might not hold if the heartland is tallied again too. Maybe for the sake of history we should spend a year and a half just to know the exact numbers which will always be in question(I don't think so)? But to what avail given the electoral college process, which was set up to protect the small states? The heartland is colored Bush. The electoral college is set up to protect the heartland. Time may well come to say, Concede, Mr. Gore! Believe me, if I'm right, the average middle class democrat will WELCOME his concession by then....IMO by observation, average Democrats already believe Gore's immediate promise to litigate for the inclusion of ballots that good people mistakenly screwed-up(without caring to check/correct at the time of voting), was a disgustingly out of place ploy at the time, and a losing issue always. In any event, there seems to be widespread agreement that no court is likely to rule in Gore's favor in this(though I personally think it's possible Gore could win the argument, I'd suspect Gore will indeed concede first- rather than play this bum cheese sour grapes out in a court.) Yeah, well...Freedom Works, Dan B

To: LTK007 who wrote (5610)	11/12/2000 5:56:54 AM
From: Robert Scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

Was it heroic to completely disregard the law? When the lawyer from the Sec of State said that the law quoted by Carol Roberts (which has as 1 of its options a full manual count - BTW, the other 2 options weren't even read and I suppose weren't even considered - jees!!!) applied only to machine error, not voter error, this was completely disregarded. Nobody is alledging machine error. It was a shameful display of partisan politics.