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To: Valley Girl who wrote (53196)	11/12/2000 6:25:42 AM
From: Harvey Allen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74651

OT VG-Don't get sore because your guys are screwing up their options in the vote counting. It's better they screw up on the road in Florida before they get a chance to get to Washington and screw up there. It's a tough world. Do you think Islamic Revolutionaries are going to wait while 'W' calls up daddy Bush to see what to do next? Is this still operative? No, I think it's sending a message that it doesn't want to see the presidential race decided in the courts, or worse in the congress. I admit I misjudged Mr. Gore and the lengths to which he and the Dems are willing to go. Message 14776620 It's my opinion the market will soar when they realize that there is no Bush II. Don't blame me either. I voted for McCain in the Ohio primary. Harvey

To: Valley Girl who wrote (53196)	11/12/2000 3:58:11 PM
From: David Howe	Respond to of 74651

Valley Girl, << How would Bush be damned for asking for a statewide hand count? The Dem line is "full, fair, and accurate count". Some of you Dems who sent me responses, stop and think about the word "full" before referring to Bush's "scortched earth" strategy - you're hypocrites if you're insisting that we only need a hand count for Democrat ballots, but nowhere else. To put it bluntly, you started this, so be careful what you wish for. >> Amen

To: Valley Girl who wrote (53196)	11/13/2000 1:52:16 PM
From: Thunder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74651

How would Bush be damned for asking for a statewide hand count? Well, at least for a couple of reasons that I see: 1)The integrity of the hand count of the re-count, has now been subjected to predominantly Dem. majority oversight. While it's true that these canvassing boards are held to very firm neutrality in their procedures, I'm not at all certain about the lack of standards in place (if there are any?) upon a hand re-count, let alone consistency from one county to another. From my understanding, according to media reports, there have been at least 2-3 standard changes in at least the one county. Did they go back and re-hand-count the hand-re-count after each standard change was made (and I might add after they had a 'good look' at the ballots to possibly slant a standard)? I don't honestly know. What I do know is that standards ought to be in place and consistent throughout the State for arbiters to base their decision(s). And perhaps (guessing) that's one of the reasons Mr. Bush elected (for now) not to go down that murky trail; I'm sure Jeb had doubts & input about countering with R selected areas for some reason as well. In short (and I'm not towing the party line here--almost a Libertarian at heart), it's a political chess game with the best minds of the game involved (and lawyers <g>), which I have a lot of doubt that his decision not to opt for a hand-re-count in some R counties at this time, was just a 'bad move'. With future events to be unfolded (including the State AG announcement made today after the fact), along with legal maneuvering I'm confident they're playing just fine, in the _end_. It's important to some extent to remember who has become the initial reactionary to victory fighting on their heels, and who's still on their toes. 2)This is the easy one; political and media demonization. Damned if he did.