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To: CountofMoneyCristo who wrote (610)11/13/2000 12:29:20 AM
From: Christopher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
I can only read charts. NASDAQ has created a huge descending triangle on weekly charts and has closed below it this past Friday. If NASDAQ does not rebound soon and reverse then the next target is 1000. If this is not a financial collapse then I don't know what is. At least that is what the chart points to. ORCL and JDSU are both below their 200 dma which means that they are in a downtrend and so is NASDAQ. They have all been in a downtrend for months now. If the trend is you friend then I have to agree with Mike right now until NASDAQ reverse and starts an uptrend.

Christopher



To: CountofMoneyCristo who wrote (610)11/13/2000 10:18:58 AM
From: marginmike  Respond to of 74559
 
Count it didnt take a Rocket scientist to figure out that the markets would come back down in feb-may 2000. It was a simple matter of liquidity flow's changing and mass panic buying hystaria. As for the BRCM etc leadership stock's being the place to be, I have to agree with MIKE. The question is not about the FA of these companies but the price you pay for that greatness. The NAZ pe is between 80-90 whille the S&P is around 15. There is a strong argument that the old economy companies havnt reaped the reward of the internet and at 18% S&P average growth is trading at a discount to PE. Therfore there is much more real value in these stocks. Whille BRCM,JDSU are trading at 2PEG on growth estimates that could still come down if Economy continues to slow. I Owned QCOM up until Febuary, bought it at 4 I bought UNPH, and BRCM and VRTS when the were unknown stocks. These stocks have their potential priced in, even at these levels. QCOM's fundimental's are as good as any and led the market down, and has still yet to recover. The same will hold true for the BRCM, JDSU etc type stocks. They tread water here until valuation's catch up which could take a year or more. Meanwhille there are some great TECH bargain.s out there that are trading in line with S&P IE RDRT, IOM, SSTI



To: CountofMoneyCristo who wrote (610)11/13/2000 7:38:56 PM
From: tradermike_1999  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
"
Now, to the issues, point by point:

I told people last December in my newsletter that the stock market probably crash in 2000 because Greenspan pumped extra Y2K liquidity in the markets and would take it out in the first quarter. I sold my long term holdings in February and had people told me as I a nut. Went short first week in November and within a fee days called the crash. Once market broke 3,500 I warned them we would go to 3k and the market was completely broke down. So what though - what is important is the future. And the accuracy of any of our past statements means nothing about that.

First of all, I am a devoted admirer of those in our field who post facts to support their claims. Please post a verifiable copy of that newsletter here on SI for the membership. If and when you do, I will be the first to congratulate you for that excellently timed warning. "

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"I am interested however, about why you would warn of a stock market implosion February 2000 and only go short a week ago. Surely these dramatic crashes were worthy of a short sale or put option or two."

I misspokie. I warned that one might come in February and went short in April - before it crashed.

"...we have economic imbalances that could create such a crisis in the future. In short Greenspan created a credit and stock market bubble to patch over the LTCM, Russian loans, Asian loans, Latin America loan crisis in Oct 1998. He artificially created demand in our economy so that these foreign countries could create a trade deficit with our country and hopefully pay off some of those loans they had from the international bankers which they weren't able to after enacting IMF "reforms". We may be paying the price for this madness in the future.

Here you accuse Alan Greenspan, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, who has presided over the greatest peacetime economic expansion in this nation's history, with manipulating our economy and the trade balance so that the United States could collect debts from other nations. This is completely preposterous. As for the IMF, and their advised reforms, the professor of whom I spoke, Dr. T.M.C. Asser, who will be teaching courses at my site in futures and options, is my father, and, in his position as Assistant General Counsel of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) spent the better part of the 90's repeatedly traveling to countries such as Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Albania, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia and Russia to assist in creating a legal and financial framework for the proper foundation of emerging market economies. These reforms were necessary, and positive. The successes of many of these countries in the wake of this labor is proof. These reforms were agreed to by visionary politicians on both sides, including the Presidents, foreign ministers and central bank heads of all of these nations. Especially Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic have made amazing strides in joining the market economies of the West and East in economic growth. The IMF and World Bank play critical roles in the development of blossoming economies. If not for them, many of these nations would languish in an economic morasse for decades. I would hardly call this courageous risk-taking and dedication to giving many countries a platform to financial success a "madness.""

I don't rely want to argue about this stuff now and it is much more complicated than I simplified things or can discuss in the limited time I have right now. I plan on writing a piece in detail about my views on this and would like to discuss it then. You father sounds like he has an interesting career. They should have sent him to Brazil, Latin America, Russia, or Asia - maybe the IMF wouldn't have completely screwed things up there then. A lot of people suffer because of their austerity usury policies.

"I don't think these are strong stock. Many of them such as ORCL and JDSU have completely broken down. You couldn't point a gun to my head and get me to buy them as investments. You might be able to buy them on a gap down bottom and sell them the next day for a good 10-20% gain, if that happens - but I wouldn't hold these bubbles as investments.

CSCO, ORCL, JNPR, JDSU, SDLI, SUNW, BRCM, HGSI, VRSN, BRCD - these are not strong stocks? Oh la la la la la la. Now you make me wonder if you are employed at an investment bank. These are great leaders in the explosive growth of our economy due to immense and rapid technological advancements. Avoiding technology stocks is not a wise choice. They are now the leaders, and will continue to be the leaders of our stock markets far into the future. When you call these solid companies "bubbles" I have grave reservation about your motives. To name simply one stark example: anyone who pays for a DSL line knows how massively oversubscribed they are, and of the rocketing demand for high-speed Internet connectivity. This is merely a beginning in the Internet revolution. Of course there have been excesses, as in any other period of massive and revolutionary growth. When the dust settles, companies such as these will lead us into the future."

In my view strong stocks are stocks that are near highs and are not 40%+ off of them. I'm not calling the companies bubbles but the stocks bubbles. Although some of the companies will eventually go bankrupt too - garbage like Amazon and a lot of the other Interduds.

What did you think about my piece on sector rotation and the business cycle?