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To: epicure who wrote (5947)	11/13/2000 11:31:37 PM
From: Dan B.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10042

You two are getting closer and closer to having most of what you say fall in to the column of full agreement. At any rate, nice treatise there. I'm finding you both make lots of sense lately. Should that be possible? Dan B

To: epicure who wrote (5947)	11/14/2000 12:18:04 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

put it "suck face in public" like the heterosexuals- I don't advocate that either... certainly not in the high schools. Sexual contact in school is wrong. Certainly as wrong as sexual conduct in the professional business setting. I don't go to work to "make out".. and neither should teens be permitted to do so during the course of the school day. And people only want to beat up on someone else when they feel threatened by them, either physically or psychologically. I'm not condoning it, but merely trying to explain it. Their own insecurity causes them to lash out at vulnerable targets. So my question for you is.. why is a gay teen being beat up any different than a HS freshman being picked on by the upper class? I was picked on for being so nerdie... Literally, I had this one guy who used to give me "knots" seemingly at least once a week, sneaking up on me from behind, and "WHAM!!" rapping me on the skull with his class ring. It would leave a lump the size of a quarter on my scalp for days, sometimes weeks Could I have sued the school for not protecting me? How about the guy who hunted and chased me all the way home when I accidentally scratched the $800 on his car as a HS freshman? He and about 20 of his friends chased me through corn fields and staked out every road between my house and the school... (but they didn't stake out the flowing irrigation canal that I waded into up to my waist for about a 1/2 mile as it ran about a block from my home). And there was NO doubt that they would have ALL beaten the holy hell out of me that afternoon. In fact, they were hot on my heels as I sprinted sopping wet, running for my very life, into my yard where my father just happened have come home early (a rare event). Had he not been there, I'm sure that they would have laid seige to my house as well.... So let me ask you... Could I have sued the school for not protecting me? I was picked on solely because I was a vulnerable little scrawny freshman who hadn't been taught how to defend himself at the time (I still blame my father for not making me take martial arts from a young age)..... I was a target for bullies and suffered tremendously.... It was only when I sprouted and grew to my current 6'3 in height by my late sophomore year that people decided to leave well enough alone. So why should a gay teen have more legal recourse than I did?

To: epicure who wrote (5947)	11/14/2000 12:39:36 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 10042

Even television shows juice our poor kids up for sex. To load them up with all the sexual imagery of our society, and to show them all their idols on the big screen screwing constantly, and then to offer only abstinence? HEEELLLLLOOOOO!!!!!!????? And which portion of the political spectrum have made a TON OF MONEY MARKETING SUCH CRAP TO TEENS???!!!!! I say again... HEEEEELLLLLLOOOOO!!!!????? Ask your buddy Joe Lieberman..... who didn't bother to even object to a Hollywood bigwig making a religious joke about Jesus Christ.... or who willingly accepted $6.5 million in one nights fund-raising?? Or ask Al Gore... WHO HAS DONE NOTHING FOR THE PAST 8 YEARS EXCEPT TAKE HOLLYWOOD CASH.... All that I'm asking for is to give parents a break and limit the amount of confusing sexual stuff that their kids have to deal with... If schools spent 1/2 as much time preaching, encouraging, and rewarding abstinence, they wouldn't need all the money for pregnancy prevention... Hell, scare the pants off them if you have to... but NO KID should feel pressured to have sex just to feel accepted by their peers. They need SOMEONE to help prop their spirits up and convince them that they have too much to lose taking uneccessary chances with getting pregnant, or worse, catching AIDS... And the last time I checked, the cases of AIDS derived from gay sex, and needle sharing, FAR OUTSTRIPS its prevalence in "straights". So for god's sake.. schools should take EVERY step to encourage abstinence in gay teens, if only for their very lives. Regards, Ron