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To: tero kuittinen who wrote (34)11/14/2000 12:33:26 PM
From: deeno  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9255
 
4. Political considerations

In other words having nothing to do with engineering specs. Maybe even nothing more then making "non-decisions" till they have to make one. Just a thought, no backup info.



To: tero kuittinen who wrote (34)11/14/2000 2:43:40 PM
From: EJhonsa  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9255
 
So why would both Brazil and Korea make this highly counterintuitive decision to go after W-CDMA - even though they both had a "natural", low-cost alternative in 1x? Why are two of the Top Ten markets in the world abruptly veering towards W-CDMA - even though they know about the initial sticker schock?

As I'm sure you know, capitalism definitely isn't perfect. In the case of South Korea, the fact that SK Telecom's been talking with both DoCoMo and Nokia for a long time can't be ignored. Considering that, when compared with its competitors, SK Telecom will inevitably get the most lucrative roaming deals once they roll out with W-CDMA, it seems that LG Telecom and Freetel only went along for the ride due to the fact that they didn't want to push a standard that wasn't compatible with the one pushed by the proverbial 800 lb. gorilla in their market, and having to fight the battle with Samsung, the leader in the South Korean handset market, having to consider a shift in handset design priorities considering that it's lost its largest handset customer. Keeping in mind that the nation's government doesn't seem to be too happy with the decisions, it seems that it was SK Telecom that single-handedly sent South Korea to the W-CDMA camp, with SK Telecom itself wooed by DoCoMo and Nokia.

It should also be noted that while the South Koreans shifted gears, DDI, which had a far greater impetus to opt for W-CDMA, decided not to switch. I'm sure that, more than anything else, cost was the primary motivator.

Granted, I'll admit that I wouldn't be surprised if AWE opted for a GSM/W-CDMA upgrade due to bureaucratic/marketing reasons, especially considering how the company would lose face after the scathing (not to mention amusing) response sent by its CTO regarding the Gilder/Vigilante piece. But as for the reasons you give...

1. Economies of scale for GPRS and W-CDMA handsets is going to swamp all competition. Not only are these handsets going to be affordable and shipping in tens of millions of units relatively rapidly - but there is going to be superior variety and choice derived from more than a dozen brands offering competing models. The R&D expenses poured into GPRS and W-CDMA tower over anything being spent on rival technologies.

The economies of scale argument may have some merit, but on the handset side, IS/95 phones aren't ridiculously priced either. The difference seems to be narrowing as of late, and will most likely narrow even further as a larger % of the components that go into a phone don't relate to the technology it utilizes (i.e. flash memory, larger displays, secondary processing chipsets, etc.).

Meanwhile, I'm sure that, for Brazil and South Korea, the breadth and quality of W-CDMA handset offerings will most likely be superior to that of cdma2000 offerings...but I wasn't talking about Brazil and South Korea, neither of which have spectrum allocation setups borne from hell. It's kind of hard to argue that Voicestream, with its GSM-1900 network, benefits a lot from all those great GSM 900-1800 phones sold in Europe and Asia. As of right now, IMO, Voicestream has a weaker handset lineup than either Sprint or Verizon. In the case of an AWE switch to GSM, this situation would get even more difficult, as either GSM 800-1900/AMPS tri-modes would have to be created, or, in the case that GSM's only rolled out in 1900 Mhz. spectrum, GSM-1900/TDMA-800/AMPS tri-modes would be needed...and that's assuming CDPD can be completely replaced with GPRS. I doubt that the handset selection for these GSM phones will rival what you might find in London or Shanghai.

2. True, affordable global roaming can only be achieved through GPRS and/or W-CDMA.

I agree, and this, I'm sure, was SK Telecom's primary motivation for switching (I still don't think it justifies the costs...); but once again, the American market's a different story. First, in terms of GSM and W-CDMA, Brazil and SK Telecom are starting from scratch. In the U.S., there already exists a nationwide GSM carrier with numerous roaming deals with foreign operators, and which doesn't have to support a spectrum-hogging analog base. There's also Nextel, with its strong business market inroads and its GSM/iDen dual-modes. Thus, if AWE or Cingular go on the GSM upgrade path, it's unlikely that they'll sign up anywhere close to all existing subscribers for whom a phone with roaming support is a must, nor will they get all the revenues generated by forein visitors.

Also, the fact that GSM and W-CDMA rollouts in the U.S. will take place in bands that aren't used in Europe and Asia will make sure that, unlike those who go to South Korea or Brazil, even after factoring in the availability of tri-modes/quad-modes/whatever, a large percentage of foreign GSM users won't have phones that work when they come to the U.S. As I said earlier, capitalism isn't perfect, and consumers don't always make the right choices.

3. cdma2000 may not live up to expectations.

Could you elaborate a little here? Both sides are definitely guilty of some excessive hype. However, if there's a wireless technology that, this year, has proven to be a disappointment in terms of living up to the claims it generated, it's GPRS.

Lastly, I think that you shouldn't underestimate the difficulties that could be faced with regards to opening up the 700 Mhz band. For a lot of the regional TV broadcasters, digital conversions will be quite expensive, and with a large number of analog TV users out there, their livelihoods depend on analog transmissions. Many of them are already making it evident that they won't vacate without a fight, a huge payoff, or both. Take a look at these articles to see what I mean:

thestandard.com

srd.yahoo.com*http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/july00/eig731.htm

With 700 Mhz. availability up in the air until 2006 (perhaps later thatn even that), and with the potential demand that could be generated for multimedia apps such as streaming video, MP3 playback, etc., it'll help if carriers have the ability to deploym something resembling a broadband technology in existing spectrum, and be able to have a great deal of flexibility in their 700 MHz. rollouts, the benefits of TDMA upgrades to 1x extend far beyond cost-related issues.

Eric



To: tero kuittinen who wrote (34)11/14/2000 5:12:31 PM
From: Eric L  Respond to of 9255
 
Tero,

<< There have been two major surprises this year regarding 3G ... Brazilian decision to implement GSM-1800; The second was the decision of the Korean operators to implement W-CDMA >>

I'd like to comment on the Brazilian decision which as you know really surprised me, rather than the Korean operators decisions, which surprised me considerably less.

<< the main reason for this expensive roll-out was the wish to get into the GPRS and W-CDMA pathway >>

I'm not sure why anyone would want to get into the GPRS pathway unless they currently operate a GSM network.

The only advantage of that pathway to a carrier, that I can see, is the fact that it extends the life of an existing partially or fully depreciated, "unevolved" and technologically obsolete, GSM network. There is better, faster, more cost effective, available technology for achieving packet based higher data rates.

Here, however, we are talking greenfields for a GSM-1800 network buildout (but not a CDMA or TDMA network upgrade) and a GSM-1900 network could have been implemented, at approximately the same cost as a GSM-1800 network.

All this leads us to a more valid reason for 1800-MHz, the fact that this will, in fact, be an "expensive roll-out".

As for the W-CDMA pathway perhaps there is some validity. I can certainly see why Brazil might want to avoid the spectrum trap that the USA is in, and it gives them some greater flexibility for the future as a consequence.

You offer three additional explanations on behalf of Anatel (and the Koreans).

<< 1. Economies of scale for GPRS and W-CDMA handsets is going to swamp all competition ... the R&D expenses poured into GPRS and W-CDMA tower over anything being spent on rival technologies >>

I'm not so sure about economies of scale in handsets as it relates to Brazil. CDMA WAP handsets are plentiful, fully featured, and competitively priced, and available from the same manufacturers that may have to bail out European and Asian carriers implementing GPRS and WCDMA.

As for economies of scale, 3GPP WCDMA & OHG 3G3 initiatives will indeed produce economies of scale for all technologies, due to common componentry. I'm not sure there is a real benefit here for Brazil

R&D expenses will indeed pay off in the long haul, in terms of batteries, smart antenna, power amplifiers, chip technology, SDR, and all of the items that are propelled along by technology evolution.

<< 2. True, affordable global roaming can only be achieved through GPRS and/or W-CDMA >>

A very valid consideration and one that carriers are certainly buying off on. It appears Anatel bought this one, even though NA is the most frequent travel destination of Brazilians.

<< 3. cdma2000 may not live up to expectations. >>

Possible. Successful application of FUD?

I am going to suggest two more reasons.

A. ECONOMIC

The auction for nine licenses will attract some "Big Pocket" bidders that are familiar with the 1.8 GHz standard, like Vodafone, BT and Deutsche Telecom AG and incumbent TIM.

GSM specific investments by telecom manufacturers in manufacturing facilities. A nice shiny new Nokia plant, for instance.

Capital expenditures and jobs for network buildout for the aforementioned "expensive roll-out".

B. STRATEGIC SALESMANSHIP

Simply said, GSMA, UMTS Forum, the ITU, and Nokia simply "outsold" and outhustled CITEL, CDG, and Qualcomm. Perhaps they were better tuned to what would really satisfy Anatel.

Hats off!

Renato Guerrero the Director General of Anatel perhaps summed it up best when he was asked: "Who do you want to please more: the ITU, which is recommending 1.8 MHz or the Inter-American Telecommunication Commission (CITEL), which proposes 1.9 MHz?"

He responded:

"We are considering various aspects, the first one being our commitments to CITEL and ITU respectively. There are other considerations, which are by no means exhaustive: national industry capacity to manufacture terminals and equipment to one or the other specification; the issue of technical convergence: which one will create the strongest synergy between fixed and mobile; which of the two choices will make it easier for mobile consumers to switch between operators; price reductions and new features for consumers and finally, the question of the synergy with the rest of the Mercosur market, although there is the fact that Venezuela has adopted a different approach".

For a QCOM perma-bull like myself, Brazil was a lot harder to swallow than the Korean "Flip". QCOM gets paid on any flavor of CDMA. It gets nada out of GPRS.

In addition, there is a silver lining in the Korean decisions. Harmonization and interoperability of 1xWhatever & DS will accelerate

Stay tuned, however, there may be some CDMA-1800 surprises in store come auction time. <g>

- Eric -