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To: PJ Strifas who wrote (34855)	11/14/2000 3:07:25 PM
From: kilo_watt	Respond to of 42771

PJ, in the system you are describing there is substantial value, but I don't see how Fred's gibberish is similar. In terms of personal content, I expect to see a subscription model rather than an "edge-distributed" model eventually win out. So in the edge distributed model, similar instances of the same data are replicated and stored separately. So, you might keep my phone number in your address book, and my buddies keep my phone number in their address books, and my wife keeps my phone number in her address book. Same information, points to the same guy, all redundantly stored out on the "edge". Make sense? Potential problem is that if I change my phone number I have to notify you. If you miss the notification, the data is no longer valid. In the subscription model, I grant you rights to a set of my personal information. Your database has a pointer to my data, but not the data itself. This secures my data (this is the whole "federation" concept just on a personal level) and ensures that you always have current and valid info. Plus, I make one change and the change effects every subscriber instantly. Further, I can set attributes about the subscription: you get my work phone number, my buddies get my work and cell number, my sister gets all my personal information. It's the same concept as when websites link to graphics rather than downloading and storing the graphics locally. And yes, to answer your question, this system (subscription)is better :)

To: PJ Strifas who wrote (34855)	11/14/2000 3:19:08 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Respond to of 42771

Peter..... >>This is not the place for this but again, you do not seem to grasp the technology completely. I do not think you grasp the idea of "personal directory" which we discuss. You have your own interpretation of it and are confusing it with what we (Scott, Paul, Toy et al) talk about here. In your system, you will still need to store (catalog) the information pointers for all your dispersed data. You call this a "personal directory". Fine. It's not what we're talking about. Question: WHY NOT JUST STORE THE INFORMATION IN THE CATALOG INSTEAD of the ADDRESSES of where that DATA RESIDES? So instead of managing information you want me to manage addresses or links to my information. And you think this is a better system? You want my phone number - check IP addressX You want my home address - check IP AddressY Is that what you are talking about? Because how do you guarantee that information is there? What happens when the system that information resides on goes down? How do you secure that information once you share that IP Address with anyone? How will you allocate IP addresses for EVERY BIT of INFORMATION I may "own" or claim? In your system, you are adding a layer of complexity to the internet that will in the end, complicate it rather than simplify.>> I understand the basics behind the directory and how PD fits in. I also realize these ideas are not supported with the current technology I realize I am addding a layer of complexity. But if you look at it another way I can actually be creating an additional level of simplicity. Actually I envision the human voice being the utimate virtual control request/demand mouse. The method of how these bits and bites of data get stored/restrieved is left completey up to these algorithms of chance which fragment the original data and then aggregate it back together again. The combination of several checks - my access number, biometric ID, personal voice - and the way I layer in words amidst my requests to retrieve data/information determines the who/what/when/where/how and why behind what I get/obtain. But instead of streaming from one source there will be fragmentated pieces of this data/information will be coming from many sources from all over the net - being reassembled if you will. There's a overriding waste of time, effort and money in much of technology development today, because everyone believes we all have to recreate these same wheels regarding finding, securing, sourcing, sending and retrieving and maintaining data/information relating to "the customer." I see this information/data flying to the four virtual endless corners of the net where only INDIVIDUALS will have access to core personal ID, data/information. Companies, governments and individuals will have to "come to us" first on our terms before help or service or value is exchanged. In the current bi-directional - "us vs. them" - control-based system nothing gets done unless and until individuals first "come to them" and guarantee that we give-up something etc. Think of yourself at the base of an inverted pyramid. Now believe that everyone else is at the base of their own inverted pyramid. Nobody is "better than" or "higher than" others except for those who have agreed to derrogate themselves to these Old control models. In these new emerging service models, we have the world "coming to us" to help and serve us on our time and on our terms, etc. The net's infrastructure doesn't support a third leg which breaks through and validates a vertical dimension that can be a virtual service proxy for us. I believe Novell's directory services could provide a foundation upon which these additional tools, filters, objects and containers could be developed which will allow for a flowering of individually-based creativity and content services. We all become massively leveraged content providers. Individuals have to think through the implications and differences of the Old vs. New models. I have a 35-40 slide powerpoint presentation that I do for groups who'd like to learn more about these ideas. This is an outgrowth of several technology presentations I did to the securities industry in '98 and earlier this year. I realize the abstraction is hard to grasp here, but the simplicity of this approach is striking and actually hits more people over the head. The other thing to realize is that there's nothing to be gained from making these ideas proprietary in any way/shape or form. For all this really reflects a new way of perceiving old things. Again, sorry if I sound preachy and "out there." Peace. GO!!