Nov.18,2000,<font color=red>COMPLETE CNC NEWS ,REVIEW AND COMMENTARY
  This post from normasky @ YHOO says a lot about CNC and Wendt. In particular the line about…: " Gary Wendt has set the stage for skyrocketing profits 
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  11/17/00 9:52 am  Msg: 83107 of 83191 Couple of interesting points from CNC
  Finance 11/14 10-Q. First, the unit owns about $1.3 billion  of loans for discontinued products.  These loans will either be sold  or self-liquidated by the Company and the proceeds  will be used to pay down debt.
   Second, the amount of cash generated from the i/o strip for the first nine months of 2000 is only $164 million which is down $179 million from the prior year. The $164 million equates to about .7% on an annualized basis of the average balance of the mortgage porfolio. 
   The reduction in cash is due to significantly higher bad debt expense and a worsening of the  delinquency rate of manufactured housing. The Company is obligated to pay bondholders interest and  principal on all delinquent accounts. So it looks like the unit is only retaining about 20% of the interest spread   which is somewhere around 4.0% points (difference between  homeowner rate and the pass through rate).  This is what precipitated the additional $200 million writedown of the strip.
   As the i/o strip becomes more "seasoned" and the "dead weight" drops out,  CNC will retained probably about 70% of the spread or about 3.0% points. 3.0% of a $15 billion seasoned portfolio is still $450 million per year. Going to be interesting  when Gary Wendt starts to write-up the value of the strip. Wendt is going to say that " I can't carry the i/o at no value when it's  generating a ton of cash". (Value right now is only $600 million)
   Politically, he did the right thing writing down the strip.  Gary Wendt has set the stage for skyrocketing profits.   What I like best  about Wendt is that he's tightened up   the underwriting standards of the finance unit.  He lists the number one strength of the  finance unit as  disciplined credit risk and pricing philsophies. 
   The third quarter 2000 securitizations are prime examples of his  philosophy. 700 basis points retained interest on HELs and 500 basis points    retained interest on MHLs, up about 200 basis  points over the prior year.   Like picking cherries because the competition is way down.
   Colin Devine and Peter Eavis are going to eat crow very shortly.  Most of these guys on the street, in my opinion are financially  illiterate.
   by: normlasky 
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  A couple of nice articles:
  From S & P 500:" Playing The January effect " 
   personalwealth.com
  And from Business Wire:  quicken.excite.com
  Friday, Nov. 17,S&P Affirms Frontier National Life Ins. 'BBBpi' FSR  Key rating factors include extremely strong capitalization,  above-average profitability, and strong liquidity, which are offset  by limited operating scope 
  Major Rating Factors: 
   -- Capital adequacy, as measured by Standard & Poor's capital 
   adequacy model, is more than 300%, which is extremely strong. 
   Total adjusted capital was $7.5 million at year-end 1999 
   versus $7.1 million in 1998, an increase of 6.2%. However, the 
   company is somewhat aggressive with respect to risk assets 
   (61.1% of capital). The largest class of risk assets is $3.6 
   million in unaffiliated preferred stocks, which represents 
   about half of the company's total adjusted capital. 
   -- The company has demonstrated above-average profitability, as 
   measured by a five-year average ROA of 5.2% that stems, in 
   part, from the absence of new business production. 
   -- The company has extremely strong liquidity, with a liquidity 
   ratio in excess of 260%. 
   -- The company's operating scope is limited. Net premiums written
   declined 2.1% in 1998 and declined again 24.1% in 1999 to just 
   $1.1 million. 
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  And finally…market outlook: Just beginning… ( Harsh landing that is….;from Barron's )
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  Have a good weekend all,
  TA
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  Friday, Nov. 17,S&P Affirms Frontier National Life Ins. 'BBBpi' FSR  Key rating factors include extremely strong capitalization,  above-average profitability, and strong liquidity, which are offset  by limited operating scope  quicken.excite.com
  BW: Nov. 9,2000: Conseco Finance Announces Multi-Year Contract With Menards biz.yahoo.com
  Tuesday November 7, 1:37 pm : A.M. Best Upgrades Conseco Inc.'s Principal Life Insurance Subsidiaries biz.yahoo.com
  Nov. 7, 2000 A.M.Best Upgrade CBSMarketWatch A.M. Best upgrade. www2.marketwatch.com{D9A03364-250A-43EE-B39C-48E0E74EFE57}
  Nov.7,2000: CBS www2.marketwatch.com CNC gets debt upgrade    --1:02 pm - By Michael Baron  Conseco (CNC: news, msgs) is jumping $1.50, or 21.6 percent, to $8.44, after A.M. Best raised the debt rating on the Carmel, Ind., financial services firm's insurance units to 'A-' from 'B++' and removed them from 'under review' status.                   Michael Sheldon, an analyst with Spencer Clarke LLC, said this event represents  a significant strategic positive for the company. "This reassures investors that management is taking the right steps to make the company competitive and profitable in the marketplace," said Sheldon, who has a "hold" rating on Conseco with a price range target of $10 to $15. "I believe the stock could move several dollars higher in the next few months as investors come to terms with this news." Message 14723848
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  =============================================  NICE site to get IMMEDIATE NEWS FROM DOWJONES  quicken.excite.com
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   BROKERS & FUNDS  RATING & buying  CONSECO  
  personalwealth.com
   Fri Nov 17, S&P Playing the "January Effect" Message 14723320
  =================================================  CONSECO INSURANCE RATINGS    Message 14723220
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  BW: Nov. 9,2000: Conseco Finance Announces Multi-Year Contract With Menards biz.yahoo.com
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  =================================================== CNC Preferred Stock and Bonds  Message 14722931
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  IRWIN JACOBS and CNC SHORT SQUEEZE:
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  CNC Longs amusement Park Message 14445597
  ===================================================== Why Wendt took job at CNC and SALARY discussion
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  ====================================================  ISSUE OF CNC potential for BANKRUPTCY   Message 14721647
  =====================================================  Issue of ARGOSY sale controversy  Message 14816688
  ====================================================== WHY I INVEST IN CONSECO  ragingbull.altavista.com
  moneycentral.msn.com
  ====================================================== RUMORS Nov. 2, 2000: ALLIANZ to buy CNC? messages.yahoo.com
  siliconinvestor.com
  Sep 21, 2000 AIG to buy CNC and install Wendt as CEO? Message 14426456
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