To: mike cobble who wrote (1527 ) 11/17/2000 1:20:41 AM From: E. Charters Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1794 Red Hat's best weapon is Mr. Congeniality, Robert X. Young esq. But in the big, bad world of Enterprise Software, Linux must cater to the ENTERPRISE ENTERPRISE ENTERPRISE etc.. I think Bobby is on the right track but about two laps behind. He needs a maven with his pulse on the customer's now fibrillating heart in this crazy mixed up ASP, SOAP, XML, SAP, ORACLE world. A maven like myself. :) That, and 1000 more programmers. Know what I mean? Linux companies have to grow up get out there and realize that institutions with 10,000 personnel need training, 24-7 support, some ease of use, and confidence in end to end solutions as well as reliability, flexibility, networking tools, and high-end capability. Companies went to distributed computing and networks to get away from sysadmins and supra technical OS's. Linux must pervade the image that it won't go down that road again and still give important technical advantages and better security. I still say X is the sticking point. Program migration from Windows is still too hard. Simplifying the system for porters and programmers would be worth billions. X still has many issues. Synchronous calls and high bandwidth bely its vaunted cross platform universality. It is not a good WAN tool. (But neither is Java.) Here I think the solution is true client server and low bandwidth created by tools that co-exist on both client and server. What do you need to put up a window in a 128 meg terminal? Ans: ---> All of the comand "put window, pos x,y) Not 1200 lines of X gobbeldigook that is "soooo extensible". (yes I know about GTK.. You cannot port with GTK. Well you can but its tough, you still have to use WINE (shudder) or figure out the difference between a simple windowing system on a non multi tasking computer and X) Sheesh! Todays terminals are PC's. Wireless handhelds are a different problem and need a different solution. I am right. Sun is wrong. If McNealy thinks he is such a good systems analyst I will put up my systems innovation against his, anytime.netlinux.dynip.com netlinux.dynip.com EC<:-}