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To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (330)	11/17/2000 2:15:21 AM
From: marcos	Respond to of 37409

Oh, i don't for one minute raise up JC as in any way superior, he's a career politician with all the traits that come with the position ... all my comments start from here - 1. we've had it up to here with the Liberals 2. Joe Who's PCs are not electable, a fact i regret, but a fact 3. the CCF or whatever are not a factor 4. the Bloc doesn't seem to run candidates on the wet coast 5. so what do you have left, Natural Law? .. great name, but my mantra expired 6. so there's Alliance ... and a great deal to attract to it, 'responsibility', 'respect', a sense of keeping the state as much as possible out of my business, i like these things ... but then there is the whacko element, the Aberhardt folk, whose will is i fear to some extent expressed in the election to the leadership of Day. You make a lot of good points [and you're plenty eloquent imho] ... to respond to one - ">>To what precise degree do you propose returning women to being forced to stay with abusive spouses << A bit of a stretch ?" No stretch at all imho, straight goods - One of the effects of our great welfare state was to make it possible for women in grossly intolerable marriages to leave and to live separate, supported by your tax dollar and mine ... in those good ole christian days of yore some of those good ole christian boys beat their women bad, and in too many cases the women stayed due to lack of economic options ... now the welfare system gets abused, for sure, and could be set up better in order to more stimulate individual responsibility in many cases, for sure, but i would not like to see it returned to the stone ages ... and sometimes in between the carefully crafted rhetoric around 'family values', i imagine i sniff such a desire ... maybe just me, i dunno. Alliance without the whackos would be just great, that's my opinion ... would i vote for JC if Day threatened some sort of 'christian' state? - well, that would depend on exactly how far he'd want to set us back ... i suggest to him that he refrain from such an experiment, because there's a whole lot more like me, we're voting Alliance, but tentatively.

To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (330)	11/17/2000 10:33:58 AM
From: PMS Witch	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 37409

What doesn't belong in the list? A) Hydrogen bombs B) Heroin C) Health care D) Harlots The answer: They all belong. Each is not legally obtainable in Canada by those who have the means and desire to acquire them. Under a two-tier health care system, people are given a choice: Pay or die. Under the Liberals, the Pay option is removed. We once had a reasonably well functioning system in Canada until the Liberals strangled it in their blind quest for the Holy Grail of a balance budget. (Needed to dig us out of the hole another Liberal, Pierre, put us into.) Now, we have a health-care crisis! Canadians are dying on waiting lists. Politicians are dismissing any and all alternatives to our present course: They are turning their backs on the workable in search of the perfect. Unfortunately, the dying can't afford the wait. I would suggest multi-sided attack on the problem. Allow several tiers, or delivery systems, to begin operating immediately. The priority must be to serve the needs of the patients first, and fix the payment system later. Once patient needs are being met, we can then examine which ideas work and which fail. We will have learned from the experience. We will have clear vision and a menu of choices. Armed with accurate knowledge, we can adopt a system which has a balance of fairness, effectiveness, economy, and efficiency. Without this knowledge, we're guessing, and open to exploitation from fear mongering politicians in their quest for perks, profit, and power. Cheers, PW.