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To: andreas_wonisch who wrote (19427)	11/17/2000 9:48:44 AM
From: fyodor_	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 275872

<andreas: A Dual channel DDR 2600 chipset with LDT coming this month? Sound almost too good to be true...> Yes, it does. I seriously doubt we'll see boards based on this before well into Q1 :/ The Crush chipset seems like a strange hybrid between high-end and low-end. I wonder how big the market is for this type of thing. If it were to come out before christmas, I'd seriously consider buying one for my parents, along with a Duron (they are still stuck with a couple of K6-200 computers). I actually find it a bit odd that the boards won't offer on-board sound, although they do say that a future version of it will. -fyo

To: andreas_wonisch who wrote (19427)	11/17/2000 10:39:35 AM
From: Cirruslvr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Andreas - RE: "NVIDIA Crush chipset details" This looks like it will be a pretty powerful chipset that can fit in the low and mid range PCs. I wouldn't mind if they get most of VIA's KM133 business next year... But since it is Nvidia's first chipset we'll have to see if there are any compatibility problems. Does the 128-bit memory bus mean there will be 4.2GB/s of memory bandwidth w/PC2100 DDR RAM? Is it like having dual Rambus channels?

To: andreas_wonisch who wrote (19427)	11/17/2000 11:08:22 AM
From: that_crazy_doug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

<< NVIDIA Crush chipset details >> I wonder if the 128bit dual channel version will still include integrated graphics? The price point of the board will be interesting as well, the integrated graphics card runs about 100 bucks as an add in, so the board itself will probably run over 200 bucks. Still a nice board because the graphics card is pretty good, but if you have dual channel ddr memory you're probably looking for something better and paying an extra 50+ bucks for the integrated graphics would be a waste.

To: andreas_wonisch who wrote (19427)	11/17/2000 12:12:50 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Andreas, It looks like a great chipset. A very good integrated video, built in Fast Ethernet. I think it will be extremely popular with OEMs. LDT angle is excellent. I am a little puzzled about something: Is the integrated video part of the Northbridge? It would be the closest to the memory this way. But now let's say AMD builds a chip with integrated Northbridge and LDT interface, but with no graphics and no AGP port from this integrated CPU. In this scenario, is it possible to have external AGP video, or are you stuck with PCI? This crummy POS AGP kludge stands in a way of more elegant approach in the future. If there is one thing AMD could do (maybe with collaboration with NVDA) is to liberate the world from the AGP crap. Joe