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To: MeDroogies who wrote (86928)	11/17/2000 10:10:29 AM
From: MeDroogies	Respond to of 97611

Message 14826967 Excellent post...

To: MeDroogies who wrote (86928)	11/17/2000 10:19:36 AM
From: Windseye	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 97611

You say..."it is unlikely chads are falling out since the ballot is "fresh"". Where's the evidence for this assertion? WHo says? Are THEY republican, or dewmocrat, or owner of the company that makes the machines or the paper ballots? Please, dig into the data and support any assertions with evidence, otherwise all that is promoted is continuous bantering, around and around in circles, which is unnecssary IF any real data exists. If it doesn't than the issues are just plain rhetorical questions. I also need to see the evidence that repeated handling, counting or recounting, by machine or by hand really does in fact loosen the chad and I need to know what percent are so affected. KNowing what percent will fall out spontaneously goes to making a statement about the validity of the technique of using THAT paper manufacturing companies products, and the consequent reliance upon this as a voting method! "All machine counts are generally felt to be accurate from 99% to 99.99%" Show me the data... by the way if the perent in a particular county which is heavy one way of the other this .01 to 1% will swing the vote in the direction of the majority, which is the basis in Broward and Dade counties. The second issue of the hand count is really one which ultimately led to machine counts to begin with - the ability for manipulation and misinterpretation. <<<The lost percentage of ballots in a machine count is roughly equivalent to or less than that of ballots that would be lost in a hand count (human error is usually much larger unless a machine is poorly designed - entirely probable in Florida...LOL).>>> I suspect that Harris polling is fairly accurate; I wonder if any one of these companies or the collection should be used to run the elections... I bet they know how accurate in a statistical sense their conclusions are, after all big bucks are bet on these little survey results. D