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To: Machaon who wrote (79591)	11/17/2000 12:36:57 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Respond to of 769670

Is [it God's will that most people are Godless], or a mistake in the basic design of mankind? Well. We are a bit off-topic, but I’m game to hammer at it. I think it is a mistake in the design of mankind due to sin. I think man is inherently a sinful creature. [God] certainly doesn't guide our hands or hearts NOT to abort. I think He does guide our hearts not to abort. I think we intuitively understand abortion to be counter to human nature. We nevertheless contradict nature via abortion because of our innately sinful condition. If God can effect the outcome of a football game, or who survives an airplane crash, He certainly can effect the outcome of an abortion. Indeed, but perhaps He has no obligation to effect the outcome, especially if the power to properly effect the outcome is granted us. If we don't abort, and the person lives, and messes up on the rules, and doesn't get to Heaven, then we have done that fetus great harm by not aborting. I don’t think so. I just don’t see the logic behind the belief that our spiritual state is caused by what we do. It makes complete sense that it is caused by what we are. What we are causes what we do. So then I think we cannot influence, thank God (!), a person’s eternal state by determining when and where he dies. I don’t see that we are that powerful. Finally we both believe in some sort of abortion, and that mankind has the power and mandate to end a human life, whether in the womb, or morfed into an adult of the species. Oh yes. I certainly think reason justifies some abortions. But not in general cases where the abortion victim is innocent.