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To: levy who wrote (80777)11/18/2000 7:16:51 AM
From: Tom Clarke  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
The Republicans are out of their depth in this ground war. They're up against tough savvy operators, many of whom are hustlers and shakedown artists back home. The genteel Republican observers in those rooms don't have the seasoning these guys do. The Republicans are up against killers, really.

And it seems to me the Supreme Court's intervention in this raises serious questions about separation of powers. They have revealed their bias.

But I remain optimistic. There have been so many turns in this sordid saga, I predict that something totally unpredictable will happen.



To: levy who wrote (80777)11/18/2000 9:59:03 AM
From: Michael M  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Choice three -- every republican participating in the the vote recounts should walk off the job NOW.

Simply state that they will not participate until the court rules on certification authority on Monday. Do you think the dems would be sitting there helping you while the clock ticked away, eroding your position?



To: levy who wrote (80777)11/18/2000 10:06:07 AM
From: FaultLine  Respond to of 769667
 
Honestly, I cannot answer your question but please consider an example from my own experience.

For 15 years, I have run 15,000 cards each year to grade the results of a high school science competition involving 2,000 students from high schools throughout Northern California. No matter what we do to instruct the students, 10% (!) of the cards are kicked out with errors. The students find the most amazingly creative ways to screw up a card.

The only way I can give these students credit for their work (my overriding goal) is to visit each card and try to understand the nature of the error they have made. This consumes than half of the 80 hours I spend on this project each year. This process is not easy but I have absolutely no doubt that the final results are far superior in every way to the complicated but still very simplistic evaluation the machine and its programmer (me) are able to produce.

Similarily, there are many court rulings illustrating the necessity of ascertaining the voter's intent. I found this article in Thursday's NT Times interesting in this regard:

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nytimes.com
Chads Have Their Place in Annals Of the Law

The court rulings in other states would not bind a court in Florida, but they do show a fairly consistent attitude by judges toward punch-card ballots: In a hand recount, officials should use any means to determine what the voter intended, including hanging chad, dimpled chad, even penciled chad.

"That a voter displays a restrained enthusiasm" in marking the ballot "should not render his effort in vain," was the rationale provided by the South Dakota Supreme Court in 1993 in awarding votes based on incompletely detached chads.
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Notice I have said this process is NOT easy, but it is nevertheless necessary.

I hope the final statement in this opinion piece in today's Times is something we can all agree on:

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nytimes.com
November 18, 2000
Dimpled Chads Cost Me an Election
By PHILIP W. JOHNSTON
BOSTON -- My family refers to the experience as our "hideous debacle"; it was that and more. When my 1996 primary race for the 10th Congressional district in Massachusetts ended with a judge's decision to overturn my initial victory, I never wanted to hear the term "chad" again.

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The silver lining in all this recent turmoil is that the flaws in our electoral process — the inconsistent standards, the confusing ballots, the lack of accountability and the potential for conflicts of interest — are all now exposed. Let us hope that Americans will demand quick reforms. Meanwhile, my heart goes out to the presidential candidates and their families. Whatever happens, the loser in this election will never feel that he was dealt with fairly.
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Best regards,
--FaultLine