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To: Aggie who wrote (79584)	11/20/2000 11:33:57 PM
From: kodiak_bull	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 95453

Excardog, Aggie, It's funny but I'm getting a couple of different analyses this evening. First of all, in the FL Supes, I'm not sure that any non-lawyers can appreciate how difficult it is for the Supes to do much of what the Dems want them to do. The obvious issue is that the lower court ruling (that the Sec'y of State was acting within her discretion) was hardly even dealt with in oral argument. Strictly speaking, all the justices should rule on is this very thin issue. The easiest thing is to look at the statute, look at the rules, look at the timeline, glance sideways at the political carnival, and say, "Affirmed." They could grant a further deadline, say December 7, for all recounts to be turned in, along with canvassing board affidavits as to the processes and procedures followed, and separate counts for those ballots which were hanging and swinging chad, and those which were pregnant and dimpled. (And those which were divined by Kresgin on contract to the GoreAmerica Campaign). Then the Sec'y of State could exercise her discretion as to which counts she accepted, while required to give her reasoning. This leaves the situation open for a while but would seem to be at least in keeping with the spirit of the legislation. Or they could step in and tell her to accept all handcounts from the 3 counties, damn it, and certify those numbers. But this is not the law, and this is not their job. No matter how partisan they might be, they'd have to know this is stepping over the line. And Bush then attacks it on two fronts, in a state conflict between executive & legislative vs. the high handed court, and by appeal to the federal court on a now clearly existing federal election law issue (constant, a priori laws) as well as a constitutional issue (equal protection). Kodiak's odds: 63.5% for option 1, 36.1% for option 2, 0.4% for option 3. I know folks watching the process may have gotten the impression that the Reps were toast, but it really is a more complicated process than that. The fact that the Reps didn't keep jamming the limitations of the case down the justices' throats, I believe, must have been a purposeful tactic to be polite. It was, as the old metaphor has it, the elephant in the living room on this one. Incidentally there are reports that the hand counts are failing to manufacture enough votes for Grinnin' Al, even with the newly changed standard of "dimples for Dems." However, I do not believe this current set of disinformation emanating from the canvassing boards (and their lackeys, the press corps). I presume a late breaking surprise run in Algore's favor ("It was so sudden, so surprising. Oh well, America's waited long enough for her handsome new beau, let's just call it an election, shall we?") to be in the offing, who knows from which shadowy corner. Press stories about Dems losing patience with Al and the process also look almost like plants to me (including my earlier post from the LA Times); I just saw one where Willie Brown (SF) supposedly said, "it's over, and we're getting impatient." Those, too, may turn out to be journalistic version of vaporware when the midnight surprise hits the fan. Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom, etc. etc. We shall wait and see, but until January 20, 2001 and the moving vans have carted all the Clinton personal and administrative materiel out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, I'm sleeping with one eye open. Eternal vigilance . . .

To: Aggie who wrote (79584)	11/20/2000 11:43:59 PM
From: Tomas	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 95453

Recommended reading: After Oil - Prospect Magazine, November 2000 prospect-magazine.co.uk

To: Aggie who wrote (79584)	11/21/2000 12:09:31 AM
From: isopatch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 95453

OT/The classic Cook County hustle. Minnesota Fats would love it: Here's how this just might play out. If I'm right? This is worthy of the best of the old pros from the smoke filled rooms of Cook County, Illinois. The major TV networks media are NOW pushing the democrat spin to con the public into accepting the biggest HAND JOB in history, lol. Because? "Oh,...not to worry all you viewers out there (we keep hearing over and over) Gore is picking up far fewer votes in these hand recounts than expected". Uh huh... Boy, what a sweet pitch. If there was ever a classic hook to draw the naive "mark" into the game this is it. Miss a few shots early, on purpose, while hiding your power to run the table. That's the time tested way to trick the mark into betting the farm on winning the game i.e. tricking the public into accepting into this hand recount SCHEME. So when the Florida Supreme Court rules for Gore, tomorrow or the next day, there's a protest by Bush people, but a much smaller %age of the public is up in arms than expected. What me worry?", they say when polled, "Gore can't win it anyway, WHY are the Republicans "afraid" of the recount? Again the TV networks are "carrying the water" for the Gore forces. Minnesota Fats just smiles. But once the money or the true political "coin of the relm" - more neutral OR perhaps even favorable poll numbers - are slapped on the screen in your living room? Then it's time for the demo machines to run the table for Gore. You see, it's been reported, BUT only a few times. The HUSTLE is that ALL the questionable and disputed ballots for Gore in both Palm Beach and Broward have been set aside and NOT included in the numbers released so far. Believe it! Right at the end of the hand recount process with little or no time for the Bush forces to maneuver...WHAM. Minnesota Fats surprises the naive mark and runs the table. Gore votes flood in and he pulls ahead by at least several thousand votes. Then we'll see how the media spun and suckered in public reacts to the Florida State Legislature stepping in to make the final decision (as specified in the State's Constitution) on which candidate Floridas electors will be pledged to. HEAR YE, HEAR YE. This gonna be "d' BIG ugly" unless one guy just folds... Isopatch