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To: Joe NYC who wrote (128915)11/21/2000 2:17:50 PM
From: Daniel Schuh  Respond to of 1570352
 
So what you're saying, Joe, is that you expect the Florida Supreme Court to issue an opinion that's biased and politically motivated, particularly compared to the impartial and objective opinion of the Bush campaign Florida co-chair? From Ms. Harris's public statements, I find that a somewhat dubious expectation.

I don't make legal predictions. But in general terms, I'd say there's something wrong with a law that puts final judgement on election disputes in the hands of any particular campaign co-chair. That's just my opinion, though.



To: Joe NYC who wrote (128915)11/21/2000 7:41:13 PM
From: Petz  Respond to of 1570352
 
Jozef, I think its clear that the Florida law only allows manual recounts for the cases where there has been some kind of machine failure. As I recall, manual recount was only one of three possible options to choose. Apparently the actual legislator who wrote the law stated that manual recounts were only to be used when there was machine or software failure. In those cases, a countywide manual recount would not be required, just the precincts that had a problem, so the deadline would be reasonable.

The Texas law you are referring to requires complete manual recounts across the state using the standards set forth in the law, not a zillion counties each deciding how they are going to do it.

GWB's policy is self consistent - Since he believes that machine counts are less accurate than machines, he opposes them in every county, Republican and Democratic, even though it would be advantageous for him to do a recount in Republican counties. His position on manual inaccuracy is based on the fact that a random sample by machine (about 99.8%) is actually more accurate than a human-error- and human-bias-prone recount by hand. Machines are not biased against republicans or democrats, he believes that the outcome of the election can be more accurately determined by a 99.8% randomly chosen sample of all the voters than it can be determined by 5000 partisan observers. In the former case, the margin for error is about +- 150 votes. In the latter case, having just 2 out of 100 dishonest workers could change the election by 1000's of votes.

The Gore stance is inconstent. If he truly believes that hand counts are more accurate than machine counts, he should demand that every county do them. To say that he's concerned about the rights of 20,000 disenfranchised voters is a lie. By his actions, he has shown that he is only concerned about the rights of voters who vote Democratic. God forbid this man should become president and be expected to defend the rights of every American and not just the Democrats. By his own actions he has already shown he does not care about the rights of all Americans, least of all our military men.

Petz



To: Joe NYC who wrote (128915)11/21/2000 7:41:13 PM
From: Petz  Respond to of 1570352
 
Jozef, I think its clear that the Florida law only allows manual recounts for the cases where there has been some kind of machine failure. As I recall, manual recount was only one of three possible options to choose. Apparently the actual legislator who wrote the law stated that manual recounts were only to be used when there was machine or software failure. In those cases, a countywide manual recount would not be required, just the precincts that had a problem, so the deadline would be reasonable.

The Texas law you are referring to requires complete manual recounts across the state using the standards set forth in the law, not a zillion counties each deciding how they are going to do it.

GWB's policy is self consistent - Since he believes that machine counts are less accurate than machines, he opposes them in every county, Republican and Democratic, even though it would be advantageous for him to do a recount in Republican counties. His position on manual inaccuracy is based on the fact that a random sample by machine (about 99.8%) is actually more accurate than a human-error- and human-bias-prone recount by hand. Machines are not biased against republicans or democrats, he believes that the outcome of the election can be more accurately determined by a 99.8% randomly chosen sample of all the voters than it can be determined by 5000 partisan observers. In the former case, the margin for error is about +- 150 votes. In the latter case, having just 2 out of 100 dishonest workers could change the election by 1000's of votes.

The Gore stance is inconstent. If he truly believes that hand counts are more accurate than machine counts, he should demand that every county do them. To say that he's concerned about the rights of 20,000 disenfranchised voters is a lie. By his actions, he has shown that he is only concerned about the rights of voters who vote Democratic. God forbid this man should become president and be expected to defend the rights of every American and not just the Democrats. By his own actions he has already shown he does not care about the rights of all Americans, least of all our military men.

Petz