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To: Jim McMannis who wrote (20133)	11/22/2000 9:37:23 AM
From: jcholewa	Respond to of 275872

> True overall but I'm sure you will remember that the 6x86 was the champ at integer. > Did well in a lot of those old Winstone scores... Yeah, and while it did, it was a relative success on the marketplace. Only after it fell behind in performance did it start to utterly fail. In this case, performance sold, not MHz. And it wasn't really performance; it was just one benchmark that sold the 6x86. > Something happens when an Intel chip gets beat soundly on certain benchmarks.... > The benchmarks that "matter" seem to evolve to favor the Intel chips strength. That's because Intel's chips are faster, so benchmarks showing that Intel's chips aren't faster obviously have to be obsoleted. > This happened with the 6x86 and the K6... You mean the annual reviseourtestsathon than ZDNet tended to do? Well, that kinda stopped this time around, I hear. And don't pull up Sandra, as Sandra is specifically oriented towards optimized code direct from both AMD and Intel. ;) > And unless it's questioned vigorously it will happen with the P4 versus the Athlon... > All The P4 has to do is win 1/2 the benchmarks and the Mhz will take care of the rest. > This is why I seek to bust the FUD... Yeah, yeah. :P

To: Jim McMannis who wrote (20133)	11/23/2000 1:09:50 AM
From: fyodor_	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

<Jim: The benchmarks that "matter" seem to evolve to favor the Intel chips strength.> They sure do and I attribute this to Intel's greatest strength: Realizing where the future lies. Intel predicted (or guess, if you prefer) that there would be an increased demand for FP and 32bit with it's P5 and P6 cores. Intel realized the need to add SIMD instructions, both with MMX and SSE. Now, Intel clearly wasn't the only company doing this (and I'm not referring to AMD - by all accounts, 3DNow! design started later than SSE design), but they did it. Sure, the benchmarks migrated in that direction, but I believe that has more to do with a real change in the programs users run. 3D games, MP3 decoding and now DVD / DivX / MPEG encoding. -fyo