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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Dan B. who wrote (7190)11/22/2000 2:23:41 PM
From: Sig  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10042
 
Florida weather report:
Dense clouds of Political smog and pollution which drifted South from Washington and contaminated the atmosphere for the past week are are now lifting.
In the clear refreshing air, some cases of Goritis in Dade County's elected officials have vastly improved and they are now aware that their constituents ( who may or may not chose to re-elect) prefer human candidates with some attributes of honesty and individual integrity over semi-robots who have been more responsive to out-of State lawyers and legal threats than to voices of local voters..
There is hope................
Sig



To: Dan B. who wrote (7190)11/22/2000 2:42:05 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10042
 
No "mays" about it, this was not intended. It should not have been
anticipated, because the law specifically sets the conditions for when
a hand-count can happen, and statewide closeness is not a reason
offered for it in law.


You're still mixing apples and oranges. I wasn't talking about whether or not hand-counts are appropriate. I was addressing your assertion that doing one thing in some counties and not others is unfair. I say it's not. It's not unfair because the rules were published, available to both candidates, and followed. The rules say that the candidate gets to identify which counties he wants counted and the county gets to decide whether or not to comply. That's what happened. It's not unfair.

As for the "thing" that's being done in some counties and not in others, i.e., hand counts, as I said earlier, I don't know enough about the subject to have an opinion. I understand that the law allows for hand counts if the machinery wasn't working. It seems to me that it was working as expected, it's just that most people didn't realize that the expected error rate is be so high so they consider the machines to be NOT working. I'd have to know a lot more about the machines, Florida law, and the judicial history of hand counts to debate the point one way or the other.

So, IMO, the apple is fair and I don't know about the orange.

Just as all precincts must be hand-counted within a countywide race
where only one precinct has a problem, so it would be for ALL
counties, had it been considered on a statewide basis from the start-
and I submit that this ought be so, merely by following the fundamental
principles of fairness that all Americans have come to expect from the
voting process.


Perhaps the Florida legislature will change this. You know, another important facet of fairness is whether the rules are unfair or whether someone was treated unfairly under the rules. I think a good case can be made that your change would make the rules fairer, but until it's changed, we go by the current rules and Bush wasn't treated unfairly under them.

Karen



To: Dan B. who wrote (7190)11/22/2000 2:57:51 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10042
 
How right you are. If you are focussing on the individual voter, then they have been patently discriminated for and against. Absolutely unfair and unconstitutional, in terms of each citizen. Inasmuch, as Gore and Bush are also citizens, it is also unfair to them as individuals. The votes of all citizens are not being accorded either equal treatment, or uniform value.