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To: The Osprey who wrote (4069)	11/22/2000 7:34:19 PM
From: Apex	Respond to of 4201

...re elections...i started a new thread and had to be very specific in my statement regarding any election connections...see 1st paragraph Subject 37457 cheers Why do the Americain people allow this to go on as it has in Florida...willie knows that it is easy to get a woodie from the gulf breeze

To: The Osprey who wrote (4069)	11/22/2000 9:33:36 PM
From: Savant	Respond to of 4201

Osprey, the courts are there to 'keep it honest'..LOL. It is no big deal, it just sounds like it. People love drama. Sells a lot of media. Buy tv and newspaper stock. There is plenty of time to sort it out, and it will be. The attention to the electoral process is a good thing. More now know about it than probably in the last 100 years. This is good. There are more than a few of the rules that need changing, also. This brings them to light. The people have never been the 'king' makers, the political machine and those that control it..have. PS..we did away with the 'kings'..off with their heads. Best, Savant

To: The Osprey who wrote (4069)	11/23/2000 10:57:32 AM
From: Savant	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 4201

Here is something..about the law.. Juries and trial judges are supposed to produce fair and just decisions. Appellate courts are supposed to determine whether the people whose decisions are being appealed to them exceeded or misused their authority. The great Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes balked when judge Learned Hand said to him, as a parting salute, "Do justice, sir. Do justice." Holmes shot back: "That is not my job. My job is to apply the law." On another occasion, Holmes said that his job was "to see that the game is played according to the rules whether I like them or not." Judges who think it is their job to produce "fair and just" solutions to society's problems undermine the very essence of law. The rule of law means having rules known in advance and applied to everybody. You cannot have that if judges are going to wing it and base their decisions on what they personally happen to think is fair and just. We have no way of knowing in advance what any given court will think is just and fair. That means that we are no longer living under the rule of law but under the threat of decisions that can strike like lightning at unpredictable times and places. The question before the Florida Supreme Court is whether the Florida Secretary of State exceeded or misused the authority given to her under the laws passed by the state legislature. The question is not whether any or all of the judges on the court would have made the same decision she made. We can read the election laws in advance but we cannot read the minds of judges in advance. An enormous amount of mischief and even disaster has been produced by appellate judges -- all the way up to the Supreme Court of the United States -- who thought it was their job to produce their idea of fair and just results in the situation before them, while ignoring the repercussions of destroying the rule of law.