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To: WTSherman who wrote (14935)11/24/2000 12:44:51 PM
From: lml  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 19079
 
Its probably from too much turkey . . .

I see you need to start off your response with an insult. Thanks for sharing with us a little bit about your character.

I just don't get what you're saying.

I could say "ts probably from too much turkey," but I think I approach what is said here a bit differently than you, and don't feel a need to be a smart ass, which apparently like to be here. If you truly didn't understand what I was saying, then you would more politely ask me to explain further. My hunch is that you know pretty much what I meant, hold a different opinion, but are so insecure in that position that your first reaction is to attempt to ridicule my hypothesis. If you had some substance, and re-read your post to me, and you should realize that you haven't made one attempt to refute what I stated, but rather mischaracterize my hypothesis by claiming that I have proposed that "ORCL DBMS users will naturally migrate to ORCL apps."

I don't recall ever using the word "naturally" to describe how IT people will "migrate" to ORCL apps. Maybe I SHOULD be asking how much turkey did you have, or perhaps what drug you're on . . . but I won't.

You focus on IT people as the ultimate decision makers, maybe because you worked in it at one time, or presently work in it. I submit to you that such a perception is one of the past, and that the decision is in-fact "migrating" upstairs. Sandy Weill of Citicorp made the decision to use ORCL, not one of your IT cronies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure they had their input, but the final decision came from the top with their input, and as I see, the ORCL solution provides a compelling solution to executives that must blend the clicks with the bricks, that have much broader view of the organization, of its mission that the IT professionals you refer to.

IT developed as an important part of the traditional organization because most people in the organization were non-tech types, with little understanding, education, or desire to understand or appreciation information systems, compter technology, software code, etx. IT existed within the organization, but never at the top of an organization. Today's world is changing, and today's CEOs are much more technically astute that their counterparts of a decade ago, sufficiently educated, and sufficiently concerned and appreciative because of what the Internet means in tomorrow's digital economy. Such a view is inconsistent with your narrow-viewed perception of what IT think and have thought for the past five years, and that will continue going forward. I disagree, as well as others. Again, the Internet changes everything, including on how IT decsions will be made going forward.

The issue of "fine tuning" apps to specific DBMS' just hasn't flown very far with IT people. SAP has tried desperately to get its customers to use SAG and then IBM by making exactly that claim.

You incorrectly analogize ORCL to SAP to defend you position. This is ludicrous. ORCL is a database company; applications run on database software; SAP is an app company that missed the Internet, and then scrambled to compete by hooking up with SAG as it soon found ORCL pulling the rug out from beneath. Losing argument, WT.

Look, WT, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You have yours; I have mine; Larry Ellison has is; Tom Siebel has is; the market has its own. We shall see, won't we? But don't make these boards as a window for throwing eggs at others whose opinions you don't share. If you want to provide the readers here with FACTs and FIGUREs, names, dates, and sales contracts and the like to prove your point, then I am all for it, but OTOH, if you prefer to launch aspersions and pound your chest how you know it all, when it is apparent you don't, then I suggest you give it a rest for the benefit of all of us here.