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Politics : Electoral College 2000 - Ahead of the Curve -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Carolyn who wrote (3388)	11/25/2000 9:41:39 PM
From: Glenn Petersen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6710

"How one travels his road is the key." How true. Senator Lieberman, who I have always respected, has lost his compass. nypost.com NOW JOE'S A LIAR, TOO by Joe Podhoretz Saturday,November 25,2000 THERE have been lots of reasons to be disappointed in Joe Lieberman since Al Gore selected him as vice president - most especially the Connecticut senator's tactical reversal of his long-stated and brave opposition to affirmative action. But yesterday, for the first time, Lieberman crossed the line from being merely disappointing to being openly and utterly dishonest. He gave the most prominent public voice to the Democratic line that had been developing since Wednesday - the line about how the demonstration by Republican observers in Miami-Dade county was so threatening to the members of the canvassing board there that they were intimidated into abandoning the manual recount. It's a complete and total lie. Here's why. The evidence adduced to prove the charge comes entirely from the mouth of David Leahy, the county's supervisor of elections. In his statement yesterday, Lieberman quoted Leahy: "These demonstrations were clearly designed to intimidate . . . Shortly afterwards, one of the commissioners said, 'We would be up there counting' if it weren't for those objections." That's a complete misrepresentation of Leahy's words. What he actually said, in full, was this: "If what I had envisioned worked out and there were no objections, we'd be up there now counting." The objections Leahy was referring to were legal objections to the proposal Leahy had made - that, instead of doing a full manual recount, Miami-Dade deal only with the 10,000-plus ballots that had registered no vote when they went through the counting machines in order to meet the new five-day deadline set by the Florida Supreme Court. That proposal was plainly illegal, as Republican lawyers were arguing. By Florida law, if a manual recount is to be done, it must involve "all ballots." Not even the legislators of the Florida Supreme Court could find in the statute's language any wiggle room making it acceptable to enumerate by hand only the so-called "undervotes" while accepting the results of the machine recount completed on the day after the election. In a New York Times story yesterday headlined "Protest Influenced Miami-Dade's Decision to Stop Recount" that probably played a role in the Gore campaign's decision to send Lieberman out to the microphones, Leahy's words were again twisted to prove a false premise. The reporters, Dexter Filkins and Dana Canedy, wrote of "a rapid campaign of public pressure that at least one of the [Miami-Dade] board's canvassing members says helped persuade him to vote to stop the counting." That board member was David Leahy, and here's what the Times quotes him as saying: "This was perceived as not being an open and fair process. That weighed heavy on our minds." But the cause of that perception was not screaming Republicans. It was the fact that the canvassing board had decided to move the "undervote" counting process from a room open to the public to a room that could not accommodate the public, the press or observers from either the Democratic or Republican parties - also a patent violation of Florida's election law, which states categorically that "any manual recount shall be open to the public." In other words, the Republican protest - an act Lieberman said was "clearly designed to intimidate" - was entirely justified because the canvassing board had made two moves in direct contravention of the laws of Florida. The misconduct that went along with those protests - particularly the manhandling of a county Democratic official wrongly suspected of smuggling a ballot out of the counting room - was totally unacceptable and deserves all the condemnation in the world. But the protest itself was unexceptionable. In any case, Leahy is a bad witness for the prosecution here, because he had already voted against manual recounts - twice. As he said on Wednesday, "I have twice voted no. In my opinion, there was no requirement, or it wasn't warranted, that we do a full manual recount . . . When the board voted last week to have a full recount, I supported the decision. I've done everything I can do to carry out that decision of the majority of the board, but at this time I do not believe that there is time to carry out a complete, full manual recount that is accurate and that will count every vote, because of the limitations put on this board in terms of time." No matter. The Gore team remains determined to win at any cost, and the mainstream media are falling in lockstep. George W. Bush may well win this thing, but he will do so under nightmarish conditions only his worst enemy could wish on him. Until yesterday, Joe Lieberman wouldn't have qualified as one of those "worst enemies." But now he does, and it's a very sad thing to see the one-time "conscience of the Senate" complete the fall from grace that began the moment Al Gore picked him.

To: Carolyn who wrote (3388)	11/25/2000 11:36:08 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 6710

For the record, Re: the size of the Jesse Jackson demonstrations, and the Rep supporter demonstrations.... I copied the whole articles and sent myself emails, so the record could be complete...there is a 14 day archive available...so these are the earliest ones...but clearly show SPIN!!!! Wonder just what the Democrats would do if several hundred people showed up and marched with them....They clearly have lots of people "ready to go"...the Repubs will have to work on the numbers.... And Carolyn, Thanks for your post, a year ago, and now!! Both appropriate always! #1-Nov 13, 2000 Tempers Flare At Jackson Rally By Marcy Gordon Associated Press Writer Monday, Nov. 13, 2000; 9:18 p.m. EST WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. –– Tempers flared between supporters of Al Gore and George W. Bush on Monday when The Rev. Jesse Jackson tried to address a rally backing the recount of ballots in Palm Beach County. About two dozen people holding blue Bush-Cheney signs planted themselves between Jackson's marchers and the stage where he was supposed to speak in downtown West Palm Beach, chanting "Jesse go home!" Some shouting and shoving ensued in the thick crowd. Jackson then led several hundred protesters chanting "Revote, revote" from the Palm Beach County Governmental Center to an outdoor amphitheater several miles away. Jackson addressed the crowd without further incident. "It was a violent scene and the crowd was out of control," he later told reporters. He said he saw some people being verbally abused and hit with sticks. More………..> Item #2....Nov 13, 2000.... Election Vote Battle Goes to Courts By Ron Fournier AP Political Writer washingtonpost.com Monday, Nov. 13, 2000; 9:24 p.m. EST Snip………> Tempers flared between Gore and Bush supporters when the Rev. Jesse Jackson tried to address a rally backing the recount of ballots in Palm Beach County. There was some shouting and shoving when about two dozen people holding blue Bush-Cheney signs planted themselves between Jackson's marchers and the stage where he was supposed to speak in downtown West Palm Beach. The two dozen people chanted "Jesse go home!" Snip………….> Item #3.....Nov 14, 2000 Fla. Tempers Flare Amid Recount washingtonpost.com By Marcy Gordon Associated Press Writer Tuesday, Nov. 14, 2000; 4:20 a.m. EST WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. –– A shouting and shoving match breaks out in Palm Beach County. A Democratic congressman needs a sheriff's escort after protesters interrupt a TV interview. Dozens of people march in front of an elections office in Jacksonville over uncounted votes. Tensions are running high and nerves are beginning to fray across Florida as the vote-counting ordeal that will decide the nation's presidency grinds into its second week. There has been little serious violence but plenty of shouting as supporters of Al Gore and George W. Bush wage protests around the state – much of it captured by TV cameras. The Rev. Jesse Jackson, leading protesters in Palm Beach County on Monday, ran into about two dozen people holding Bush-Cheney signs and chanting "Jesse go home!" Shouting and shoving ensued but no one was arrested. Jackson said he saw some people being verbally abused and hit with sticks, and a reporter saw one man with some blood on his face. "It was a violent scene and the crowd was out of control," Jackson said. Nearly 280 miles north in Jacksonvilleabout 30 Democrats and a handful of Republicans marched in front of the elections office. At issue were 27,000 ballots that weren't tallied because they had more than one vote or no vote for president. On Friday, Rep. Robert Wexler, a Florida Democrat who has been outspoken about the presidential ballot controversy, had to be escorted by sheriff's deputies after Bush supporters interrupted his interview with CNN on a sidewalk in West Palm Beach. A crowd waving Bush-Cheney signs "began swarming him," said his spokesman, Josh Rogin. "It was a very unsafe environment." Ty Hart, who drove from Miami Beach to attend Jackson's rally, said he wanted to show his support because "what you must do is let every person have an opportunity. America must be fair." Snip………….>