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Politics : Why is Gore Trying to Steal the Presidency? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Ellen who wrote (2250)	11/26/2000 1:05:43 AM
From: Frank Griffin	Respond to of 3887

Ellen, why would Gore be so sorry as to attack our fighting men and women around the world. He is a sorry scoundrel and is disqualified to be president. And, I do believe there is a difference between counting our military votes once and gore wanting other liberal precinct votes counted over and over and over until he can get enough votes divined for him to be in the lead. Gore attorneys lied about the Illinois case where they represented dimples were ordered to be counted when the case was decided the opposite denying the count of dimples. Trying to divine the will of the voter is far more inaccurate than the machine count. Gore should be a man and concede. He is doing severe harm to his country and his party. I have talked with 4 people who voted for him who now say if they could do it over, based on his reprehensible conduct, they would vote for Bush. I also understand a couple high powered reporters have said the same thing. People will be leaving the democrat party like rats leaving a ship. It's credibility, class and integrity is in shambles.

To: Ellen who wrote (2250)	11/26/2000 8:16:16 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 3887

Ignores the fact that [counting dimpled chads] is not ridiculous and is done quite often throughout the country. Regardless of any preference in this particular election, it is not the humanly impossible or extremely unusual process the Republicans are trying to paint it to be. Okay. Let's say you're right. Then you should agree to let three Republicans evaluate the ballots and see which ones have voter intent. If the hand count process is really based on ascertainable standards and is objective, the count should come out the same as if Democrats count them. The problem is that with humans, even those who are trying to be objective, trying to discern the intent of another person from an incomplete act is very much dependent on the biases and experiences of the individuals doing the discerning. This is obvious in the transcripts of some of the counting sessions. See, e.g. drudgereport.com Anybody who claims this process is objective and standards-based is, IMO, completely out of touch with reality.

To: Ellen who wrote (2250)	11/27/2000 12:54:48 AM
From: lml	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3887

Ellen: If you're gonna quote me, then quote me correctly. I used the word "overly partisan" to describe Al's post, and did so in comparison to his previously well thought out, well-intentioned posts. Your statement: To except a dimpled chad as evidence of voter intent is utterly ridiculous . . . gnores the fact that it is not ridiculous . . . So your counter point to my OPINION that it is ridiculous to accept a dimple chad on a ballot card as evidence of voter intent is that such opinion ignores the FACT that it is NOT ridiculous. Hmmm, that sure says a lot. <i. . . . and is done quite often throughout the country. OK, Its done OFTEN; and its done THROUGHOUT the country. Well, then, you shouldn't have a problem backing up your words with some evidence. I can tell you right now to forget about the Illinois case cited by the Democratic lawyers before the Florida Supreme Court. The dimple chads were subsequently invalidated. I can't wait to see your evidence. I give you 'till December 12th. That's as long as you man Al has before he goes down in flames. And he will go down in flames if continues with these contest proceedings, which will call into question Florida's electors, and bring this whole matter to the next higher level, the electoral vote on December 18th.