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To: scaram(o)uche who wrote (2140)	11/27/2000 3:33:07 PM
From: Biomaven	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 52153

The incidence of no-vote ballots was much higher in Florida counties that used punch cards rather than other methods. These happen to coincide with urban, pro-Gore counties. I saw one report of a Bush-leaning county that recounted their "fill-in-the-bubble" no-votes. But they didn't resort to the horrors of a hand recount. Instead they filled in new ballots newly marked with the voter's "proper intent" and left it to the trusty machine to then perform the recount properly using the new ballot. Punch-card ballots have various failure modes, not all of which can be laid at the hand of the voter. These apparently include a ballot misaligned with the template, un-sharp tools for poking the hole, old and stiff plastic strips behind the card that resist the puncher instead of ensuring the chad is removed, and chad-buildup behind the ballot. I have little doubt that if all counties had used the same equipment Gore would have been elected. I also have little doubt that Bush will be the next President. My court predictions are that the Supreme Court will back the Florida Supreme Court to the hilt, and that the Florida Supreme Court will reject further Gore challenges, leaving Bush to carry Florida. Peter P.S. For some topical light relief, check out these old drug advertisements from Canada (noting the name of the site): proctalgia.org

To: scaram(o)uche who wrote (2140)	11/27/2000 3:34:21 PM
From: RCMac	Respond to of 52153

OT >>Why aren't discarded ballots being counted in counties that predominantly supported MoronMan? Isn't "intent to vote" of interest for discarded ballots in predominantly MoronMan-leaning counties?<< A partial answer, perhaps a bit lawyerly for some tastes: Message 14857267 Cheers, Bob

To: scaram(o)uche who wrote (2140)	11/28/2000 2:41:21 PM
From: John Metcalf	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 52153

Is PanderMan the same critter I might know as Truth-challenged Man? The link below shows an estimate of up to 2,000,000 uncounted ballots in the US. In addition to the reasons Peter posted, there is also the phenomenon that not every voter casts a vote for every office. Personally, I won't cast a vote if I don't know either of the candidates. For some lesser-known offices, like State University Trustee, this is usually the case. And sometimes I have too much disgust for both candidates to vote for either. However, now that we have seen an heroic effort to decide who is punched on every card, I'm fearful of not casting a vote. I don't want to be counted in the camp of the most aggressive legal team. Perhaps there needs to be a "no-vote" place to mark on the ballot. New cause: non-voters are being deliberately disenfranchised! Don't laugh. We clobbered Buchanan, and gave Nader a close race-:) "None of the above" has always been a popular choice. 208.246.212.80