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To: abstract who wrote (19969)	11/28/2000 8:53:27 AM
From: stomper	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 65232

Hi Paul. The point nobody seems to make (at least that I have noticed much) is that nationwide 2-3% of ballots are invalidated in every single election. The will of the people and voter disenfranchisement is and has been part of the system. It has just been kept in the dark, and voters never realized it. It's a bit disingenuous at best to cast Gore (not you personally) as a champion for these poor voters in FL who just want/should have their votes counted. BWDIK. -dave

To: abstract who wrote (19969)	11/28/2000 10:31:15 AM
From: CAtechTrader	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 65232

The Seminole County issue is not the straight forward issue that the media has led you to believe. The voter ID #'s were transcribed from the applications to the ballots that came back with the applications. The sanctity of the ballot was never violated. No one knew what votes were inside the envelope. How is this less a technicality than Butterfly Ballots or counting dimples or for that matter not counting clearly marked military ballots whose commander has sworn they were mailed by the deadline? I think that Gore is trying to have it both ways...excluding Republican votes on technicalities, yet including Gore votes on technicalities like dimples, marks, and "voter trend on the ballot". The Florida Supreme Court said in its ruling "canvassing boards must attempt to include every ballot whose deficiencies can be readily remedied." I think Gore has boxed himself in on a challenge to Seminole on this basis alone, clearly the efforts in Seminole are consistent with the Florida Supreme Court's ruling. Certainly this is not manipulation, manipulation is being caught with a votermatic machine in Miami, used to cast multiple votes or invalidate opposing votes. Gore cannot have it both ways.