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Politics : Canadian Political Free-for-All -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lino... who wrote (505)11/28/2000 11:34:25 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 37571
 
Take heart, Lino! There is a good wind blowing in from the West! Don't worry. A democracy reflects its people. This is the bottom line: In this country we still have a lot of people that rely on you for their well being. If you don't like it, you ought to leave. It is a valid choice.

However, it does seem that self sufficiency will become much more prevalent over the next 12 years. You just need to think about it. And in another 20 years, you will probably be glad to see the Socialism return. The world (and we) are not nearly so idealistic as we imagine! I am as pro individual as can be imagined, and yet everyone learns that survival will someday take precedence over truth and honor.

Most people never get to be very useful: But even those that do must someday know futility. Instead of going fahrenheit over society being mainly controlled by parasites...we need to count our blessings--and to enjoy our ability to be useful. If you choose to be magnanimous...well, you won't need to resent being forced to be.



To: Lino... who wrote (505)11/29/2000 12:51:55 AM
From: foobert  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 37571
 
But, but, but - Chretien promised us last year - "don't worry, there will be no carbon tax".



To: Lino... who wrote (505)11/29/2000 12:00:56 PM
From: SofaSpud  Respond to of 37571
 
So your prediction for the future is pretty much the status quo.

Re. the love it or leave it argument.

If the Liberal vote were spread relatively evenly across the country, the I would agree that a conservative has two choices: stay and try to change the system from within (man would you need a lot of valium), or apply for a green card. And there would be some perverse satisfaction, I suppose, in leaving the bloodsuckers in Ottawa with only the drained corpses of the dependent. But surely there's a better way?

The six provinces starting in Ontario and going east all seem to love the status quo. The other four sent different messages. There's a geographic link. So, rather than leaving our country to the dogs, why not put up a fence?

This is more than just taxation without representation. There is an issue of philosophy. Self reliance. Honour. Dignity.

Someone on a call-in show yesterday talked about the costs of separation. All true, and not something to be taken lightly. But if the people in the west really think that we have a better approach to life and to government, one that respects dignity, and encourages the spirit to develop to its potential, isn't it reasonable to try to safeguard that, rather than sinking to the lowest Liberal denominator?

The American rebellion wasn't without tremendous cost, but at least for a while the payoff was a shining example to the world. I don't for a second advocate joining the U.S., in part because their noble experiment seems to have run out of steam. Western Canada could pick up the torch and run with new energy.

We've tried working within the system. How long do you do that until you decide it isn't going to work? We tried within the Conservative party -- when has an Albertan ever had the kind of influence that Mazinkowski had? We tried with Reform. We twisted Reform through tremendous contortions to make the Alliance. What part of NO don't we understand? They're different. Period.